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| Drydess:
--- Quote from: Kearn on October 27, 2017, 04:42:42 PM ---ah so self-determination is only valid if you agree with them ok cool --- End quote --- the fact that the confederates were practicing human rights violations themselves i don't think it's fair to pull out the card that we were denying their rights |
| TristanLuigi:
--- Quote from: Drydess on October 27, 2017, 04:45:57 PM --- the fact that the confederates were practicing human rights violations themselves i don't think it's fair to pull out the card that we were denying their rights --- End quote --- not just practicing those violations, but declaring independence for the express purpose of defending them |
| Kearn:
--- Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 27, 2017, 04:43:34 PM ---the CSA wasn't about self-determination --- End quote --- no it definitely was about self-determination, they refused to have their economically destructive policies imposed on them over their own will --- Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 27, 2017, 04:43:34 PM ---they loving beat up people trying to vote --- End quote --- in an election deemed unconstitutional, genius do you think madrid beats people every time they voted for the catalan parliament? --- Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 27, 2017, 04:43:34 PM ---are you being daft on purpose --- End quote --- oh thats cute --- Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 27, 2017, 04:43:34 PM ---also:you never responded to this --- End quote --- doesnt matter whether they were or werent, they earned their independence the hard way while the catalonians seem to expect it to be handed to them by spain |
| Nonnel:
--- Quote from: Kearn on October 27, 2017, 04:42:42 PM ---ah so self-determination is only valid if you agree with them ok cool --- End quote --- Self-determination would be a valid reason to declare independence. The Southern states seceded (without an election (and even if they had an election, there was an assload of slaves who didn't count for a whole vote)) for the sole purpose of being able to continue violating human rights. they're not comparable to a nation that wants to secede because they're being denied human rights and who does not do it themselves. I mean forget, "we the confederates are declaring independence just as america did from britain" sounds a lot like confederate propaganda lmao. it's completely tone-deaf and overlooks the fact that Americans fought for more rights and Confederates fought for less. |
| HellHound:
--- Quote from: HellHound on October 27, 2017, 04:44:35 PM ---yes, the right to self-determine whether or not certain groups of people should be treated as property.. --- End quote --- pageloss |
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