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| TristanLuigi:
--- Quote from: Kearn on October 27, 2017, 04:47:57 PM ---no it definitely was about self-determination, they refused to have their economically destructive policies imposed on them over their own will --- End quote --- --- Quote from: HellHound on October 27, 2017, 04:44:35 PM ---yes, the right to self-determine whether or not certain groups of people should be treated as property.. --- End quote --- --- Quote from: Kearn on October 27, 2017, 04:47:57 PM ---in an election deemed unconstitutional, genius --- End quote --- so loving what --- Quote from: Kearn on October 27, 2017, 04:47:57 PM ---doesnt matter whether they were or werent, they earned their independence the hard way while the catalonians seem to expect it to be handed to them by spain --- End quote --- again, this is a "might makes right" argument |
| Kearn:
--- Quote from: Nonnel on October 27, 2017, 04:49:05 PM ---(without an election (and even if they had an election, there was an assload of slaves who didn't count for a whole vote)) --- End quote --- oh totally, that 43% turnout in an unsanctioned election with no voting controls wildly contrary to public polling sure is representative --- Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 27, 2017, 04:51:43 PM ---so loving what --- End quote --- "well i guess they aren't following our laws, better do nothing about it at all" k --- Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 27, 2017, 04:51:43 PM ---again, this is a "might makes right" argument --- End quote --- you are incredibly ignorant if you do not understand that that is how the world works whether you like it or not |
| Nonnel:
--- Quote from: Kearn on October 27, 2017, 04:53:15 PM ---oh totally, that 43% turnout in an unsanctioned election with no voting controls wildly contrary to public polling sure is representative --- End quote --- so why not, I dunno, sanction an actual vote courtesy of Spain and overlooked by the UN rather than beat up people who try to vote |
| Kearn:
because the constitution that catalonia overwhelmingly democratically agreed to less than 40 years ago forbids secession without parliament making way for it to happen, so such a vote is pointless and illegal (which is why it went the way it did) |
| TristanLuigi:
--- Quote from: Kearn on October 27, 2017, 04:59:19 PM ---because the constitution that catalonia overwhelmingly democratically agreed to less than 40 years ago forbids secession without parliament making way for it to happen, so such a vote is pointless and illegal (which is why it went the way it did) --- End quote --- the legality of secession is completely irrelevant |
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