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torin²:

--- Quote from: Goth77 on October 23, 2017, 03:46:36 PM ---I just figured it was the moral thing to do, and let him have the decision later on in life. Why should I rob him of that right at such a young age?

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they wont be able to do that later on in life because they will die of the black death

IkeTheGeneric:

--- Quote from: Goth77 on October 23, 2017, 03:46:36 PM ---I think you completely misunderstood what I was trying to say: You were basically comparing processed foods and concrete, glass, etc to not being natural, but they came from natural resources and are able to effectively "adapt" to our needs

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Literally everything comes from natural resources, unless they're imported from off-world, this point means absolutely nothing. On a fundamental level, everything is just natural elements, but if you used this as a serious debating point, everyone will laugh at you. I'm saying the average western lifestyle is in no way relatable to what human nature is, and that to argue that genital mutilation isn't in our human nature is completely irrelevant to the purpose.

There are many things in our lives more farther removed from what you ideally hold human nature to be that are way more innocent than circumcision, even though by your logic, they aren't good because they're so far removed from human nature. Your point here makes no sense.

--- Quote from: Goth77 on October 23, 2017, 03:46:36 PM ---but you were born with a richard/vagina and it serves a purpose other than pleasure

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We're also born with tonsils and appendixes that until fairly recently in medical history were considered useless organs that could be removed inconsequentially, and the verdict on both were reached not because the removal of said organs wasn't natural, but because it wasn't necessary and sometimes harmful. We're not going to prevent circumcision from being performed by arguing that it isn't natural, and trying to preach this point is going to actively discredit any serious debate on genital mutilation.

Johnimiester:

--- Quote from: Badspot on October 22, 2017, 02:05:58 PM ---https://i.imgur.com/qI8zmfi.png

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https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/6q55m8/new_study_shows_positive_outcomes_for_mtf_srs/

Nonnel:

--- Quote from: Trogtor on October 23, 2017, 02:18:09 PM ---even the bible says that hombre

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yeah I think it makes it pretty clear with all the original sin business but w/e

Goth77:

--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on October 23, 2017, 03:53:31 PM ---We're also born with tonsils and appendixes that until fairly recently in medical history were considered useless organs that could be removed inconsequentially, and the verdict on both were reached not because the removal of said organs wasn't natural, but because it wasn't necessary and sometimes harmful.

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I'm not saying that the removal of potentially life-threatening or discomforting body parts are against nature: I am saying that it is an unmoral, immature, and unnatural decision to get a love change because of some chemical imbalance in your brain that would probably be better treated with some sort of therapy or medication vs a potentially dangerous permanent surgery

I had my appendix burst when I was 16 and had to have it removed. Did I feel the process was unnatural? No, because it needed to be removed or I could have died. The "natural" thing to do was to take it out because it was causing a spread of infection throughout the body

I do not find a man getting a vagina or vise versa to be a "natural" thing to do unless it's for an actual purpose (life threatening richard cancer,etc) other than sheer amusement

You wouldn't get a lung removed just because you feel like you were supposed to be born with one lung would you?
Some people are literally so desperate for attention they will go to great lengths just to be "different" from everyone else!

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