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Do you watch research?
Trogtor:
--- Quote from: HellHound on October 23, 2017, 01:39:23 PM ---are you implying it is in human nature to sin? smh.....
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even the bible says that hombre
torin²:
--- Quote from: Køtt on October 23, 2017, 02:17:10 PM ---le appeal to nature fallacy
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le mention logical fallacies DAE i am very smart
--- Quote from: HellHound on October 23, 2017, 01:39:23 PM ---are you implying it is in human nature to sin? smh.....
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have you read the bible
Goth77:
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on October 23, 2017, 02:07:13 PM ---Don't get me wrong, I'm completely against genital mutilation, but appealing to nature is honestly the worst argument you could make. We live in concrete cities, wear linens and cloths, eat heavily processed foods, commute in internal combustion machines and communicate over long ranges on interconnected networks through our computers. What's natural isn't a good point anymore.
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concrete, motors, computers, and even processed foods all come from the earth in an original natural form before being "converted" into those things. its like saying "glass isn't natural" even though we use sand to make it. we are born with whatever gentile that our DNA decides matches best with the rest of our geno-structure. This is how nature works, so I find it to be a pretty valid argument. "Survival of the fittest" or also known as darwinism is also a thing. Just look at how fish adapt to an aquarium...."evolution" might not be quite as accurate a term, as "adaptability" though.
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on October 23, 2017, 02:07:13 PM ---The very well known reason behind why circumcision is popular in the US is because of Kellogg's anti-procrastination campaign and your leftover puritan ideals from the old world. It ended up catching on because a large majority of people got the idea from hairbrained madmen that circumcision makes the snake 'cleaner' somehow. The best argument against circumcision is that it's an entirely useless operation on a sensitive organ that causes trauma for babies it's performed on, not that it isn't "Human nature"
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Well, the bible also says that you should circumcise your kids (according to the old testament) so I would imagine a lot of supposed "bible thumpers" or "religious freaks" took the old testament more serious than they should have and thought it was necessary because "the bible says so" without actually understanding the specifics of the text which do not apply to the new testament. I never heard about the kelloggs campaign, that is a little bit disturbing though. I agree with your last statement, but wouldn't you consider doing unneeded bodily harm to an infant basically "against nature" anyways? much as you would any matter of an unmoral act like setting fire to a nice forest
my son in not circumcised, I figured when he gets to the age where he wants to start making his own decisions, he can decide for himself whether he wants to have it done or not
IkeTheGeneric:
--- Quote from: Goth77 on October 23, 2017, 03:27:03 PM ---concrete, motors, computers, and even processed foods all come from the earth in an original natural form before being "converted" into those things. its like saying "glass isn't natural" even though we use sand to make it. we are born with whatever gentile that our DNA decides matches best with the rest of our geno-structure. This is how nature works, so I find it to be a pretty valid argument. "Survival of the fittest" or also known as darwinism is also a thing. Just look at how fish adapt to an aquarium...."evolution" might not be quite as accurate a term, as "adaptability" though.
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This is the most roundabout loving way I've ever seen somebody try their hardest to be right about something. Appealing to nature doesn't win people over unless they already have the same lame train of thought like you.
Technically, vaccinations and inoculations are derived from natural ingredients. The only reason you don't trust them is because of an entirely different fallacy. In a way here, you're being a hypocrite in your beliefs.
--- Quote from: Goth77 on October 23, 2017, 03:27:03 PM ---Well, the bible also says that you should circumcise your kids (according to the old testament) so I would imagine a lot of supposed "bible thumpers" or "religious freaks" took the old testament more serious than they should have and thought it was necessary because "the bible says so" without actually understanding the specifics of the text which do not apply to the new testament. I never heard about the kelloggs campaign, that is a little bit disturbing though. I agree with your last statement, but wouldn't you consider doing unneeded bodily harm to an infant basically "against nature" anyways? much as you would any matter of an unmoral act like setting fire to a nice forest
my son in not circumcised, I figured when he gets to the age where he wants to start making his own decisions, he can decide for himself whether he wants to have it done or not
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The point is that nature is an irrelevant point that means nothing to anyone of authority on the topic of genital mutilation, therefore it's a point that should not need expanded upon since the fundamental reasoning behind the appealing to nature is flawed.
There's better reasons to argue against circumcision and your argument actively discredits them.
Goth77:
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on October 23, 2017, 03:34:05 PM ---This is the most roundabout loving way I've ever seen somebody try their hardest to be right about something. Appealing to nature doesn't win people over unless they already have the same lame train of thought like you.
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I think you completely misunderstood what I was trying to say: You were basically comparing processed foods and concrete, glass, etc to not being natural, but they came from natural resources and are able to effectively "adapt" to our needs
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on October 23, 2017, 03:34:05 PM ---The point is that nature is an irrelevant point that means nothing to anyone of authority on the topic of genital mutilation, therefore it's a point that should not need expanded upon since the fundamental reasoning behind the appealing to nature is flawed.
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but you were born with a richard/vagina and it serves a purpose other than pleasure
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on October 23, 2017, 03:34:05 PM ---There's better reasons to argue against circumcision and your argument actively discredits them.
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I just figured it was the moral thing to do, and let him have the decision later on in life. Why should I rob him of that right at such a young age?