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real talk: is rey a mary sue
Dreams_Of_Cheese:
i mean, it's star wars. there aren't any non-mary sue characters if we're bein real.
McJob:
I don't like Rey personally because she is a true Jedi by way of personality.
The problem is that Jedi are masters of their mind, and controlling their own emotions is a very important part of their creed. To lose yourself in any of the normal emotions that drive interesting characterisation is to begin down the path towards the Dark Side. Basically, it's a serious job for No-Fun-Allowed advocates.
Obi-Wan is about the only exception to this who still fits into the role well, and that's why he is my favourite Jedi character.
Foxscotch:
--- Quote from: Dreams_Of_Cheese on October 30, 2017, 12:49:50 AM ---i mean, it's star wars. there aren't any non-mary sue characters if we're bein real.
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umm..... hello? jar-jar?........
Rally:
I don't know if I wanna say Rey was intentionally made into a Mary Sue because Jew Jew Abrams thought it would be profitable to ham-fist a ~badass female lead~ into his movie, I just think he's a garbage director in general and Rey's non-existent backstory and butchered explanations for why she's able to pull off ridiculous feats can essentially be chalked up to stuff writing.
Well actually I'm gonna go ahead and say both because JJ Abrams all but said in words that the story took a back seat to the movie "feeling inclusive". To his credit if I was making a soulless cash grab on this loving astronomical level I'd probably do it as well. All we know about Rey is that she lives on a stranded stuffhole of a desert (and is somehow not a slave) and survives by camping out in destroyed starships, pulling random garbage out of them, and selling them to some starfish down at the market. I'm meant to believe that this can explain Rey's extraordinary piloting ability, how she can repair the millennium falcon when loving Han Solo can't. Then Han Solo reminds her that Jedi's exist, and the next day she's using mind tricks and overpowering a sith lord who is so powerful that he can manipulate loving light energy.
People talk about Luke being a Mary Sue but in reality Luke spent a bajillion years training with the supreme ultra mega grand wizard of the jedi, only to get his ass kicked by Darth Vader. We never saw this development with Rey. She just skipped directly to awesome badass cool warrior princess the after speaking with orange vagina yoda for approximately 20 minutes.
McJob:
I think the lore implications is that the Skywalker line extends before Anakin, because he got those genes from somewhere. In either case, it's a good point to bring up. It could even be a massive logical error to fit the story they wanted to tell.
--- Quote from: Blockomaniac on October 30, 2017, 12:45:16 AM ---if she was tapping into the dark side i could understand
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Sorry to nerd out here, but I need to make a point of this.
It's not easier to become a Sith Lord than a Jedi Knight, since they're fundamentally the same thing. Anakin is a nice case-study, because I don't believe he was ever really a true Sith or Jedi until he had reached about Episode IV-level Vader.
Theoretically, the difference between Light and Dark is the ideology and application of your power. You still stem energy from the same source (the Well of Life or whatever the forget it's called), but you just apply it differently, for different goals.
True Dark Side characters don't just destroy everything and eat babies for fun. That would be like a "Jedi" who used their powers to be the best servant in an old person's retirement home. It's an inexperienced, immature worldview and that is why you hear a lot about the Jedi and Sith having giant libraries and philosophy classes all throughout the canon.
You are not a real Jedi or Sith until you understand the full extent of what the end goal is, and aim towards that. Until then, you're just some dude who has superpowers.
See, the Jedi and Sith are two big ancient groups want really just want the same thing; peace. But the Jedi mean to do it through diplomacy and the freedom of individuals to choose their fate (so long as it benefits rather than harms), while the Sith believe in crushing any opposition and imposing their rule for the benefit of all. There's a lot of juicy philosophical debate you can have (and Knights of the Old Republic II is a game designed entirely as a criticism of both sides, so I highly recommend you read Scorchy's Let's Play for more details).
One more time: "Jedi" and "Sith" don't refer to people who have powers, they refer to the two ancient ideological groups whose members may or may not have powers and want to reach their own version of "peace".