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Mass Shooting Megathread | Rancho Tehama, CA | 5 dead, shooter down
IkeTheGeneric:
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on November 07, 2017, 02:14:34 PM ---so what legislation would you suggest? redundant laws that state that the air force should follow its own rules? banning assault rifles, which would've prevented civilian intervention? there is no way at all that this could have been prevented with more legislation, considering that the whole reason that this happened was a guy with some gears to grind against a church was able to get a gun because of a logistical error
the most that can and should happen is that some air force officials get tried for negligence, much less sacked immediately
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Here's the loving deal because you can't seem to understand the point here. Obviously something went wrong with the legal process of barring him from firearm purchasing that directly resulted in him purchasing a firearm that he shot and killed 26 innocent people with. When people are calling for "Gun control", they mean an ambiguous fix to whatever the problem or error resulted in him being allowed to purchase a firearm. That's it. There's nothing beyond calling for an explanation of what necessarily went wrong so this doesn't happen again in this way.
"there is no way at all that this could have been prevented with more legislation" Is a lie, you have just about as much knowledge on saying this as the people you're attacking here. It's just that while you're preferring to entrench in your belief that literally nothing could have prevented this, everyone else is thinking on how exactly it could have been prevented.
Tactical Nuke:
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on November 07, 2017, 02:32:40 PM ---Here's the loving deal because you can't seem to understand the point here. Obviously something went wrong with the legal process of barring him from firearm purchasing that directly resulted in him purchasing a firearm that he shot and killed 26 innocent people with. When people are calling for "Gun control", they mean an ambiguous fix to whatever the problem or error resulted in him being allowed to purchase a firearm. That's it. There's nothing beyond calling for an explanation of what necessarily went wrong so this doesn't happen again in this way.
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Oh, okay, so it's a meaningless loving virtue-signaling platitude, just like "thoughts and prayers", according to the same people who spout it constantly. Got it.
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on November 07, 2017, 02:32:40 PM ---"there is no way at all that this could have been prevented with more legislation" Is a lie, you have just about as much knowledge on saying this as the people you're attacking here. It's just that while you're preferring to entrench in your belief that literally nothing could have prevented this, everyone else is thinking on how exactly it could have been prevented.
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Then say what the loving solution is. Can you even do that? There isn't a loving copyright "someone's gonna steal my idea!!!!!1!1!" problem when it comes to this kind of stuff, so just blurt it out so that we can tell you specifically how your solution either wouldn't work or would've made it worse. "Common sense gun control" is one of the Dems biggest losing talking points for a reason.
IkeTheGeneric:
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on November 07, 2017, 03:15:21 PM ---Oh, okay, so it's a meaningless loving virtue-signaling platitude, just like "thoughts and prayers", according to the same people who spout it constantly. Got it.
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That is not at all what I said, but you can take it however you want. Just displays to everyone else your flawed reasoning here.
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on November 07, 2017, 03:15:21 PM ---Then say what the loving solution is. Can you even do that? There isn't a loving copyright "someone's gonna steal my idea!!!!!1!1!" problem when it comes to this kind of stuff, so just blurt it out so that we can tell you specifically how your solution either wouldn't work or would've made it worse. "Common sense gun control" is one of the Dems biggest losing talking points for a reason.
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The reason we can't have any reasonable dialogue on gun control and ownership is because of volatile assclowns like you who decide to attack the person rather than the point. Leave your anger and feelings at the door before you try to argue, because you're not doing yourself any favors here.
Tactical Nuke:
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on November 07, 2017, 03:24:11 PM ---That is not at all what I said, but you can take it however you want. Just displays to everyone else your flawed reasoning here.
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What you said is that the phrase "gun control" is used to basically say "fix this". Well, how are we going to fix it? Has anyone ever actually given specific ideas? You still haven't said anything about how to legislate this more than it already is in order to prevent it next time.
Meanwhile, I and pretty much everyone in the thread who is against this "gun control NOW" hysteria has specifically said that the USAF officials who handled the shooter's files should be dishonorably discharged and convicted on charges of gross negligence, which would encourage government agencies to take this kind of stuff more seriously. AKA, an actual fix that is real with real positive consequences.
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on November 07, 2017, 03:24:11 PM ---The reason we can't have any reasonable dialogue on gun control and ownership is because of volatile assclowns like you who decide to attack the person rather than the point. Leave your anger and feelings at the door before you try to argue, because you're not doing yourself any favors here.
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This is unbelievably ironic considering the outstanding amount of prominent lefties and liberals who are willing to blame everything on Republicans, gun owners and the NRA, and then call for "common sense gun control" without explaining specifically what it is. It's stunning.
IkeTheGeneric:
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on November 07, 2017, 04:05:08 PM ---This is unbelievably ironic considering the outstanding amount of prominent lefties and liberals who are willing to blame everything on Republicans, gun owners and the NRA, and then call for "common sense gun control" without explaining specifically what it is. It's stunning.
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Where the hell does the irony come from? Idiots like you jump into the frey with a bone to pick and say stuff like this, completely ruining any semblance of a reasonable discussion. Nobody in their right mind is going to hash any of this out with you because disagreeing with your point gets you immediately painted as a mouth-frothing liberal who wants to steal muh guns. forget right off with this nonsense.