Author Topic: Mass Shooting Megathread | Rancho Tehama, CA | 5 dead, shooter down  (Read 19442 times)

Firearms training and education is lacking. I'd stay more advanced studies for usage should be required for ownership.

Firearms training and education is lacking. I'd stay more advanced studies for usage should be required for ownership.

This is one of the most popular talking points when it comes to gun control. I'm weary about how effective standardized national tests would work, but it would honestly be for the best if it means less accidental firearm injuries.

This, coupled with more gun safety courses in school, would really make a change.

If mandatory gun ownership were a thing, I think mandatory firearms training would be a given.

I know there's a country in Europe that does this, and they've had no events of this caliber (pun intended) to speak of. That's why I bring it up.

If mandatory gun ownership were a thing, I think mandatory firearms training would be a given.

I know there's a country in Europe that does this, and they've had no events of this caliber (pun intended) to speak of. That's why I bring it up.
all mandatory firearm ownership would do is give those who aren't totally off their rockers yet a streamlined path to do damage if they do go over the edge

+ Self Delete is a lot easier when its just a trigger you have to pull. if i had a gun in my home while i was growin up i probably wouldnt be here today. no amount of gun education makes up for a depressed mind. given how strongly you can push for these ideas, you can understand how crazy emotions can be in the moment, right?

I'd like to ask you what your stance is on legalizing silencers
I know it would've made the Las Vegas shooter easier to locate because people wouldn't be having their ears blown out, but I'm not sure this shooting would have been stopped by that neighbor if this shooter had a silencer, given the different environments these took place in
Well, first we should clarify that the Hollywood depiction of the silencer that reduces your gun shot to a tiny "pew" is just a Hollywood myth. A lot of people don't realize just how extremely loud gunshots are. A silencer/suppressor only slightly reduces the sound of the expanding gases. The bullets are still supersonic so they still make the same sonic boom crack as it whizzes by.

The Vegas shooter IIRC was several hundred feet away, he wouldn't have been "blowing ears out" from that range. The reason he would have been hard to locate is because of echos, and people confusing the cracking of the bullet wizzing by with the gunshots themselves.

A suppressor wouldn't have made the shooter easier to find. It might have made them harder to find, but it's hard to say. Maybe a suppressor would have reduced the gunshots to be just quieter than the music. But people would still have noticed something was wrong as people started dropping and screaming in pain. Then once the music stops, you'd hear the gunshots.

Was the guy who stopped the church shooter in a neighboring house? I didn't know, all I knew was "a dude with a gun chased and shot him" so I kinda got the impression it was a church goer.

But there are legitimate uses to using suppressors, like enjoying a day on the range or a hunt, without disturbing people around you as much. Or reducing the risk of permanent hearing damage if you need to use a gun to defend your home, and aren't able to/think of grabbing full hearing protection

I don't think they should be (and IIRC, aren't) sold freely and unregulated. I think the same level of regulation as guns themselves is fine

I know there's a country in Europe that does this, and they've had no events of this caliber (pun intended) to speak of. That's why I bring it up.
you're thinking of switzerland, while not mandatory its one of the highest ownership rates in europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland
a quick skim over you can see a forget ton of diffrences betwen our cultures and laws

you're thinking of switzerland, while not mandatory its one of the highest ownership rates in europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland
a quick skim over you can see a forget ton of diffrences betwen our cultures and laws
I believe i read that the reason it's so high is because of mandatory military service, and servicemen take their guns home with them?

I believe i read that the reason it's so high is because of mandatory military service, and servicemen take their guns home with them?


If that's the sole reason, then it isn't that different from the US. In times of war, there is mandatory military service of sorts. Reasonably, that'd mean that the best idea in terms of gun ownership would be to make it optional, but have mandatory gun training classes and concealed carry permits. It'd be like what my high school did with regards to CPR and first aid.


I believe i read that the reason it's so high is because of mandatory military service, and servicemen take their guns home with them?

it's technically mandatory military service but basically the deal with switzerland is that they're normal citizens until they're needed. it's like pretrained drafting
after all the swiss' whole schtick is that they are the worlds greatest all-purpose defense

Was the guy who stopped the church shooter in a neighboring house? I didn't know, all I knew was "a dude with a gun chased and shot him" so I kinda got the impression it was a church goer.

His name is Stephen Willeford, he's a former NRA instructor who reportedly engaged Kelley with an AR-15 (the same model gun Kelley was using) as he was executing wounded people, got into a firefight with him, then hooked up with a truck driver and chased him to the county line. He may have actually killed Kelley, though that isn't really known.

Steven Crowder did an interview with him, you can check it out to get more info, the guy's a saint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4HEchh0XD8

His name is Stephen Willeford, he's a former NRA instructor who reportedly engaged Kelley with an AR-15 (the same model gun Kelley was using) as he was executing wounded people, got into a firefight with him, then hooked up with a truck driver and chased him to the county line. He may have actually killed Kelley, though that isn't really known.

Steven Crowder did an interview with him, you can check it out to get more info, the guy's a saint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4HEchh0XD8

just another case of the religious oppressing atheists smh

Its really strange that I'm having trouble pulling up information on the guy who combated the shooter. I can't seem to find many well written articles about Stephen Willeford.


Wasn't any decent angle to politicize it so it died down pretty quick I guess