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| Dreams_Of_Cheese:
--- Quote from: Red Spy on November 20, 2017, 11:25:10 PM ---i don't know about you but i'm going at them with a rocket launcher --- End quote --- nothing stops the home intruder quite like two fistfuls of molten copper |
| PhantOS:
--- Quote from: HellHound on November 20, 2017, 11:14:30 PM ---do not listen to this advice. you want to be able to stop a person easily with one shot, and .22 caliber just isn't enough unless it has the powder of a rifle cartridge behind it like in an AR platform rifle. .38 caliber or higher should be sufficient, but I would shoot for .45 for self defense. you really don't want the guy bearing down on you to be able to shrug off a single bullet, because one shot might be all you'll get. --- End quote --- im sorry but you clearly have no idea how bullets work if you think people can just shrug them off one shot anywhere except the lower dominant arm is enough to incapacitate any person. They've done extensive tests and proven both .38 and .22lr have a 60% chance to incapacitate someone at first shot. It has nothing to do with the stopping power or a high amount of powder, it's the amount of powder proportion to the weight of the bullet, and in .22lr, there's enough powder to make a clean hole through muscle, bone, lungs, and forehead. All rounds have around the same capacity to incapacitate; the difference is that of all rounds, .22 long rifle is the cheapest. So it's objectively the best round for any home intrusion situation. It also has virtually no kick so your shot placement will be as good as your aim is Anyone who suggests a higher caliber either doesn't understand ballistics or just has more money to spend / more muscle in their arm to damage |
| Ceist:
a starting pistol to shoot and train with? wow everyone got it wrong. a cheap pistol that goes bang. https://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/ Hi-Point's are considered garbage simply because of their ergonomic quality and performance, but they're long lasting and reliable, not nearly as reliable as a Glock or S&W, but good enough to be worth purchasing as a starter pistol and something to train with. You can get them from .380 to .45. They have manageable recoil and are extremely cheap, however they are very uncomfortable to shoot and their accuracy at a distance is piss poor, but you're looking for a starter gun, not a conceal & carry gun. They're big and bulky too, a little heavy compared to most pistols, but that serves them well, as they can take a beating before actually busting. They're so cheap that even if it does break, you've probably used it enough that it earned your money. BTW your weak arms don't matter, proper gun etiquette and you'll have no problem firing any pistol common pistol cartridge. When you feel comfortable and obtain your license to use a Conceal & Carry weapon, there's dozens of useful pistol varieties under different brands. When you reach this point it's more what you feel comfortable with, so get a membership at a gun & range shop where you can try before you buy. Everyone has their opinions and preferences, me included, but it's just something you'll have to figure out for yourself. PM me if you want more info Source: I own and have fired several weapons of varying caliber and make. Including the Hi-Point. |
| Ceist:
DOUBLEPOST I looked over the thread again and noticed a lot of people talking about stopping power and different calibers. I want to point out that if you are a civilian looking to obtain a Conceal & Carry weapon, caliber DOES NOT MATTER (unless you care about money). You are a civilian, in the event you have to use your weapon for self-defense, anything from a .22 to a .45 is enough to incapacitate an individual. You're not a combatant, the chances of you coming across someone wearing loving body armor is zilch. That's even in the rare event you have to draw your weapon. |
| HellHound:
would you rather have a round that's (almost) guaranteed to incapacitate (or kill), or a round that's guaranteed to incapacitate or kill? idk about you, but I'd rather pay a few extra bucks for a little more insurance |
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