Police Shoot and Kill an Unarmed Daniel Shaver

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Planr:
This video makes me wish all police officers were dead

Ragequit:

--- Quote from: Drydess on December 08, 2017, 07:21:03 PM ---the cop was certainly trying his best to act like a hardass tho. if their aim was to avoid the room in case there was another person in there (first of all they couldve used the adjacent room lol) and couldn't just go up to him and restrain them, they could've at least been 10 times less purposefully terrifying

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i'd say he's being stern as forget so that the guy would realize the severity of the situation and really didn't want to shoot the guy. unfortunately it seems to have not worked

Planr:
I hope the police officer is charged with murder, because that's exactly what this was. That cop was bloodthirsty.

Ragequit:

--- Quote from: Nonnel on December 08, 2017, 07:41:47 PM ---The main point there was five successful shots, not where they hit. Besides, someone who's lighting up a hallway and hitting someone five times in the head/neck is obviously not concerned about anyone's safety. It takes one shot to have a way lower chance of killing the damn person.

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you don't think he was concerned for his own or fellow officers' safety? if someone presents a threat to you, whether or not it is intentional or genuine, you're going to feel endangered and take action to get out of danger. the officer neutralized a threat he felt was real, and looked very real. people have sustained multiple shots and killed several people. shaver was not intent on killing, obviously, but if he had been and the officer only shoots once, the guy very well could have taken lives

AutoBahn:

--- Quote from: Red Spy on December 08, 2017, 06:09:11 PM ---this is some mario level stuff right here

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https://youtu.be/Ri4e_wpDc54?t=3m59s
There are better ways to deal with a situation like this than to order people to crawl toward you and threaten to kill them if they don't comply immediately and perfectly. You could have one or two guys keep their guns* pointed at the suspects to be able to react quickly while another checks the corners up ahead and establishes a perimeter so they can cuff the two (which is what you can see these HRT trainees doing here, specifically the one guy who stands watching the hostages on the couch at roughly 4:27 while his buddies clear the corner). Don't have enough firepower to feel safe doing that? Wait for backup, it's not rocket science.

--- Quote from: Ragequit on December 08, 2017, 06:08:10 PM ---https://youtube.com/watch?v=6yaie4bzsFI

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There's multiple guys watching this poor dude crawl down the hall. Non-lethal force is a viable option as a first response since he's not a hard target to hit with a taser while crawling around on the floor.
The main issue in this situation isn't that it's legal to do this, it's that it's both morally wrong and unprofessional, the same way you could blame SWAT for that time they flashbanged a baby. If you are going to be dealing with situations like this, you need to ensure the people you send have the proper training to know what the hell to do. Like I said earlier, it is very obvious that these cops were not properly trained to handle this situation. However, if somebody takes heat for this, I genuinely hope it lands on whoever trained and certified these guys rather than the cops themselves.

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