Police Shoot and Kill an Unarmed Daniel Shaver

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Ceist:

--- Quote from: Kumquat on December 08, 2017, 10:51:37 PM ---If the community college didnt just shut down for break I would have printed some stuff and put it around campus.

Im usually pro cop in these situations. This is clearly not one of those situations.

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It depends on the situation, sometimes officers are jusitified, sometimes they're so fearful they react out of instinct, or they're blood thirsty, but rarely is the latter true.

Col. Burton:

--- Quote from: Ceist on December 08, 2017, 10:48:18 PM ---Not an act of it, but you are defending the officer who performed it.

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I am not.

--- Quote from: Ceist on December 08, 2017, 10:48:18 PM ---The commands given were ridiculously complicated.

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They were simple, one thing at a time as they should be. The only complicated thing was "left foot over right foot", which was stupid but its still simple. If they were "ridiculously complicated" it would be: "crawl forward with your right hand first, looking to the left every time your right hand goes forward, and right whenever your left hand goes forward."

Kumquat:

--- Quote from: Ceist on December 08, 2017, 10:53:47 PM ---It depends on the situation, sometimes officers are jusitified, sometimes they're so fearful they react out of instinct, or they're blood thirsty, but rarely is the latter true.

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As far as I know Mesa is timid. REALLY timid. I mean its just old people and Mormons. Its not like we are a central drug trade hub or anything.

No need to be all sgt call of duty

Planr:

--- Quote from: Ceist on December 08, 2017, 10:35:26 PM ---Regardless of how many chances he had, there was no excuse for this. Brailsford went in there with the intent to shoot and not once did he think about anything else.
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Glad we can agree on this.

Ragequit:

--- Quote from: Nonnel on December 08, 2017, 09:56:53 PM ---I've been thinking about this and lemme just ask, can we at least agree there was negligence here? That this could've gone totally smoothly had the officer acted different? The man was completely disarmed and laying on the ground with his hands on his head. They 100% could have walked over and cuffed him, frisked him, whatever. Instead he kept yelling at him to crawl (wtf?) and warning him he was going to shoot and kill him if he didn't comply

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yeah, i'll agree that this could have gone a lot better had they used a different tactic of having him come to them. that crawling stuff was dumb, but keep in mind they had to clear the room first.

--- Quote from: Nonnel on December 08, 2017, 09:56:53 PM ---Even before that, the report they got was presumably "rifle spotted in a hotel room." why didn't they walk up to the door and ask "do you have a rifle in the room? what reason do you have to be keeping a rifle in your room? do you have a license? does the hotel know you're keeping this here?" Y'know, the kinda stuff you'd ask instead of yelling at the guy to shut up and "the time for diplomacy is over" while he's trying to explain.

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you tell me what a rifle pointed out of the window of a hotel looks like 2 months after the deadliest mass shooting in american history, or even a rifle pointed out of a hotel window at all. you'd probably think something along the lines of "this guy's up to some bad stuff" right?

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