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| Hansome duded:
--- Quote from: Red Spy on December 08, 2017, 03:43:08 PM ---i sure love it when a teenager on the internet tells people how to do their jobs --- End quote --- --- Quote from: Red Spy on December 08, 2017, 03:47:25 PM ---no dude you're wrong. the advice should come from outland for sure --- End quote --- --- Quote from: Red Spy on December 08, 2017, 03:52:16 PM ---yeah cause when i think a handicap like outland criticizing police is dumb that obviously means i think the police are beyond being stuffty right --- End quote --- unrelated to the topic, why are you such an instigator, man? calling someone out and then sarcastically belittling them makes you look like you're playing devils advocate |
| Ragequit:
--- Quote from: Snaked_Snake on December 09, 2017, 12:04:14 PM ---Mind sharing the timestamp? The imagine is too blurry and I honestly can't tell what he's doing. And one thing I want to know is, do you really think if he was shot he would be able to pull a gun really fast out of wherever to shoot the police officer? --- End quote --- it's at about 4:25 in the video. yes, it's very possible. adrenaline is crazy stuff some examples: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez --- Quote ---On May 2, 1968, a 12-man Special Forces patrol, which included nine Montagnard tribesmen, was surrounded by an NVA infantry battalion of about 1,000 men. Benavidez heard the radio appeal for help and boarded a helicopter to respond. Armed only with a knife, he jumped from the helicopter carrying his medical bag and ran to help the trapped patrol. Benavidez "distinguished himself by a series of daring and extremely valorous actions... and because of his gallant choice to join voluntarily his comrades who were in critical straits, to expose himself constantly to withering enemy fire, and his refusal to be stopped despite numerous severe wounds, saved the lives of at least eight men."At one point in the battle an NVA soldier accosted him and stabbed him with a bayonet. Benavidez pulled it out, yanked out his own knife, killed the NVA soldier and kept going, leaving his knife in the dead soldier's body. After the battle, he was evacuated to the base camp, examined, and thought to be dead. As he was placed in a body bag among the other dead in body bags, he was suddenly recognized by a friend who called for help. A doctor came and examined him but believed Benavidez was dead. The doctor was about to zip up the body bag when Benavidez spat in his face, alerting the doctor that he was alive. The six-hour battle left Benavidez with seven major gunshot wounds, twenty-eight shrapnel holes, and both his arms were slashed by a bayonet. He had shrapnel in his head, scalp, shoulder, buttocks, feet, and legs, his right lung was destroyed, and he had injuries to his mouth and back of his head from being clubbed with a rifle butt. A bullet shot from an AK-47 entered his back and exited just beneath his heart.[4] Benavidez was evacuated to Fort Sam Houston's Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, Texas, and he spent almost a year in hospitals recovering from his injuries --- End quote --- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11503612/Meet-the-Navy-SEAL-who-was-shot-27-times-and-lived-to-tell-the-story.html --- Quote ---In 2007, Mike Day was caught in a brutal firefight with three al-Qaeda insurgents after he was the first of his team to enter a room in a town near near Fallujah, Iraq. The enemy fighters opened fire, hitting Day with 27 separate bullets. 11 of the shots were stopped by his body armour, but 16 penetrated his body and left him perilously wounded. A grenade then exploded just 10 feet away from him, knocking him unconscious. According to Day, when he woke up roughly a minute later, he managed to kill two of the fighters with his pistol. When the fighting finally stopped, he miraculously got up and walked himself to a medical helicopter. --- End quote --- just because one bullet can incapacitate someone doesn't mean one is guaranteed to |
| King Tøny:
To be fair though, the guy did put his right hand behind his back. in a split second decision it kinda looked like he was reaching for a gun. |
| King Tøny:
--- Quote from: Snaked_Snake on December 09, 2017, 11:39:11 AM ---I know two things about this 1 - I didn't see that so if you could point out when he does that it would be nice, thanks. 2 - I'm pretty sure that's not why they shot him, it was because he didn't do exactly what they said, and even if he was reaching for a gun 5-8 shots was unnecessary, --- End quote --- "I didn't see it so it didn't happen" "They didn't shoot him for reaching his pants because it didn't happen because I didn't see it happen" As soon as he puts his right hand to his side/back he gets shot within that second. 5-8 shots is necessary for this kind of situation. I recall one case where a suspect was laying on the ground bleeding, responding officers stopped pointing their guns at him and went to assist him to prevent him from dying. The man then shot and killed up to 3 officers while he was laying on the ground bleeding and he did it because all the officers let their guard down. Which is another thing people say "well why do police keep their guns pointed at bleeding men that are downed" well that one loving case is exactly why. |
| Snaked_Snake:
--- Quote from: King Tøny on December 09, 2017, 12:41:36 PM --- --- End quote --- When the forget did I say "I didn't see it so it didn't happen"? I was generally asking for him to show me when it happened in the video And yes, they clearly did not do it because he reached for his trousers, because 99% of the time officers shout something like "Drop the gun" or they say that at some point. If you want to defend this, that's fine, just remember it's murder and it is not acceptable. Edit: The officers in that one case let their guard down, I'm not saying you should do that. With that soldier the enemy soldiers didn't try to finish him off or anything, from what I know if you're cuffed you can't just stand up and pull a gun then shoot officers. |
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