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| Ragequit:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on December 09, 2017, 05:30:31 PM ---So it would be worth it to look at the reasons why our country's police departments tend to resort to lethal force far more easily than others, right? --- End quote --- https://youtube.com/watch?v=FYSsCaUFexw somewhat informative video on the matter of how police in the united states determine when to shoot |
| Nonnel:
--- Quote from: Ragequit on December 09, 2017, 05:18:33 PM ---yeah -- after appearing to reach for a weapon, which is a huge no-no. --- End quote --- so you're saying they should've cuffed him while he was on the ground |
| Darth C3P0²:
--- Quote from: Nonnel on December 09, 2017, 05:39:01 PM ---so you're saying they should've cuffed him while he was on the ground --- End quote --- If he was, they can't. Also I think he is saying that's why he got shot Not only is that too much of a security threat, it is also a bad idea If anyone says "WOAHHH THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST TASED HIM" no, just be quiet, you can't just taser him. You don't know if he has a condition either way, plus since he was drunk odds are he may have gone into shock |
| Ragequit:
--- Quote from: Nonnel on December 09, 2017, 05:39:01 PM ---so you're saying they should've cuffed him while he was on the ground --- End quote --- no, jesus christ are you inept or something? do you keep forgetting that the officers needed to clear the room and it would be a more dangerous situation leaving him in the hallway while they did it and were near the door along with him? i'm saying he shouldn't have reached for his waistband, hell, he shouldn't have been loving around with a rifle near a hotel window. now, i think the crawling tactic they used was dumb and could've been done while he was standing so they could get him towards them, but they were not wrong in having him come to them at all. |
| Decepticon:
the video is forgeted and the officer didnt seem like the best cop so i dont mind him getting relieved of his badge but i do think the shooting's justified. shaver was drunk as forget, reported to have been seen with a rifle next to the hotel room's window (which was true but who knows what else the people calling 911 were saying), was failing to follow coherent orders early on, and so on. also i dont know what the forget snaked_snake is going on about, he reached for his waistband and in barely a second (which i feel like snaked needs to know is a very short span of time, especially in this kind of situation) he was shot, and i didn't see him put his arm down at all before the shooting started. remember; reaching to your waist while having numerous guns pointed at you and dealing with the police is almost always a terrible idea as for the whole 'well why didn't they just cuff him where he was??', it's pretty standard police procedure in these kinds of situations to have the suspect come towards them when detaining them/making an arrest. however i don't really like the dumb 'okay cross your legs with your arms in the air and now CRAWL towards us ok?' and i'll say that the officers/sergeant shouldn't have tried that (then again it could be standard procedure for the local PD of mesa arizona but i wouldnt know), but they were in the right mind of bringing the suspect to them. personally i feel like something along the lines of a felony stop could've been used and possibly would've ended with shaver keeping his life and avoiding such a forgeted up situation --- Quote from: Nonnel on December 09, 2017, 01:11:10 AM ---of course i would. i'd knock on his door. "police, open up." in this case, he would open the door and respond to questions/comply with instructions. if there was actually anything out of the ordinary, i'd put my hand on my gun. if there were any indication of him being a threat, i'd take the gun out of the holster and tell him to put his hands on his head and face to the wall/ground and frisk and cuff him while the place can be searched. then more questions, etc. etc. screaming "IF YOU MOVE I WILL SHOOT YOU AND YOU WILL DIE" is not caution, it's wanting to flopping your power richard around. --- End quote --- why the forget would you go up to and knock on the door of a possibly barricaded suspect reported to have a gun? |
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