Star Wars: The Last Jedi Discussion [Spoilers]

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King Tøny:

--- Quote from: Corderlain on December 16, 2017, 01:49:51 AM ---Kylo Ren isn't a good villain. No where near the impact of Vader.

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Pretty sure that was the point of his character.

This is backed up by the fact that everyone in the first order thinks so lowly of him.

King Tøny:
Characters like Finn can't understand the concept of neutral.

Codebreaker was neutral as forget and yet Finn thinks he's just evil.

Also Kylo saved rey's life and she repays him by trying to kill him which just turned him over to the dark again.

Raoul Silva:

--- Quote from: MrLoL² on December 15, 2017, 05:25:33 PM ---THAT loving HYPERSPACE MOMENT HOLY stuff

I loved every single scene, overall spectacular visuals
would totally watch it again

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I agree!!

As someone who hated The Force Recycled and didn't like Rogue One, I absolutely loved The Last Jedi! Damn near masterpiece level if you ask me. In Rian Johnson we trust!

Although, my favorite Star Wars film shall always be Revenge of the Sith.

McJob:
From my Discord ramblings:

--- Quote ---I left the movie feeling content, but on further reflection, I'm not completely satisfied.
There were bits I really like.
As a kid, I was all for Light vs. Dark.
But nowadays, I much prefer the idelogical wars and the idea that the common folk don't know the difference between people swinging around magic and lazer swords.
So, I welcome any kind of attempt at KotORII-level criticism/discussion of what makes or breaks a Jedi and Sith.
I also liked the themes of success through failure and not needing to be a somebody to do something.
It's really nice to see Disney kind of correcting that mistake they've made for MANY years in their media of the unfortunate implications that you have to be unique and special or else you don't matter.
I really liked the destruction of Snoke's ship. The Flashbacks and the Jedi Cave with the reflection I enjoy to an extent. Felt there were ways they could have been imrpoved.
I also came around on Kylo Ren.
He's not my favourite Sith villain.
But I don't hate the character as much any more. It makes a bit more sense for the direction of the story.
As far as negatives
The first ~5 minutes was pretty abysmal. I wish I remembered the exact line of dialogue where it started not-sucking again.
I feel like a big and massive mistake the writer/director made was that he tried very hard to reference themes and moments from the Prequels and Originals, but he made that critical problem of not expanding on the callback.
A callback is just plagirism if it doesn't do something with the reference to demonstrate a change or build upon the current state of the world.
For example, brick jokes, arc words, Chekov's Gun etc
There were some great in-movie uses of those things, but every time they pulled from one of the previous movies, they didn't do anything with it.
It was like, "Hey, you remember this thing from Episode V? Well, here it is again!"
Now, maybe it's going to become a point where the Empire v. Rebels is just the same thing over and over all fed into by people who profit over their war, and that'd be cool to see, but at this point it's just not a fully developed idea yet.
I guess I'm not necessarily the "core audience", even though I grew up living and breathing on Star Wars media, however; I overall like the tonal and theme shift towards breaking down certain questionable aspects of the franchise, but I just dislike how they still are trying to be too "safe" in copy/pasting.
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Alternat¡ve:
I wish the new Star Wars movies never happened

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