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Is Communism the worst? Or national socialistsm is the worst?
Kearn:
--- Quote from: TristanLuigi on December 19, 2017, 05:27:07 AM ---Anyone who thinks communism is inherently worse than national socialistsm either doesn't understand that communism is not the same as Stalin's Soviet Union or Mao's China, or is a national socialist sympathizer anyway.
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sigh
TristanLuigi:
--- Quote from: Kearn on December 19, 2017, 07:04:08 AM ---sigh
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Did you just elect to ignore the rest of my post?
I'm not even saying all communists are better than all national socialists. Depending on whether you consider the deaths in the European Theater of WWII to be Riddler's fault (I personally would, as WWII probably wouldn't have happened without fascist expansionism), Stalin may have a higher death count than Riddler. So sure, there may be a debate about their roles in WWII (though again, there is the important point that the commies were part of the Allies, and did not actually start the conflict).
--- Quote from: TristanLuigi on December 19, 2017, 05:27:07 AM ---national socialistsm is based around racism, ethnic cleansing, and genocide, and is inherently totalitarian. Assuming you think all of those things are evil, that makes national socialistsm automatically evil. Communism has none of those aspects as core ideas; the core idea is simply the establishment of a classless society.
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Juncoph:
--- Quote from: ultimamax on December 18, 2017, 09:05:12 PM ---There are things like anarcho-communism which center themselves around smaller communes and less state power. I'm not sure whether I agree if authoritarianism is inherently bad, if we define it as "the state having a lot of power" and the converse of libertarianism and not "the state existing as some oppressive force against the people". Redistribution of wealth doesn't necessarily require state power anyway - in most flavors of communism, the redistribution of wealth occurs by some revolution of the masses, not through the state.
Communism is just about achieving a classless society that operates entirely for the good of the masses. Just because communist regimes have done really forgeted up stuff (and, I'd like to add capitalist countries have also done horrible things, they just survived the cold war)
I don't really have a great answer for you though, I once commented "i'm basically a communist" on this forum but in reality I don't feel like I've done enough reading to justify calling myself that. I still don't have a lot of great answers or justification for the application of communist ideology, which is what makes these threads kind of annoying to me - even if I wanted to get rhetorically dogpiled by a bunch of angry libertarian teenagers on the internet, I probably wouldn't be able to make a very good case for anything, and that's frustrating. I'm going to do more actual activist work and research to figure out what I actually have faith in, and I hope to be a better representative of the left after that. If you want a really good answer, I'd suggest /r/DebateCommunism.
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haha equality of outcome by force guys its not like communism managed to kill just as many as colonialism despite not being big for nearly as long and only ruling a fraction of the world, f*ck the capitalists with their truly liberal social rights and their laws that aren't either totalitarian or outright murderous
the soviet union and china and cambodia and north korea and vietnam and cuba and yugoslavia Arent Real Communism!
before anyone says it, im not comparing national socialistsm to communism and yes national socialistsm is worse
Deus Ex:
This topic: "After having tasted these two stuff sandwiches, which one do you think is worse?"
Køtt:
are we diving into that "Real Communism" argument again