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Is Communism the worst? Or national socialistsm is the worst?
Tactical Nuke:
--- Quote from: SWAT One on December 18, 2017, 03:42:57 PM ---Right, if you stop at the idea alone, but take actions into account.
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okay both ideologies had governments that were war-mongering and both systematically executed the rich class in their society
fascists believed that jews had sold out their country for monetary gain at the end of WWI, so they went after the Jews
it was easier, too, because they had a moniker to label the "greedy rich people" with as opposed to the communists who just had "grrr rich people"
they weren't tribal therefore they went after the Jews, they saw the Jews as the communists saw the rich people of society and therefore went after them and that made them tribal
they're literally not different
IkeTheGeneric:
--- Quote from: Grimlock² on December 18, 2017, 03:57:40 PM ---People say this, but greed is human nature and as a result there has never been a truely “communist/socialist” nation in the way Marx intended it. Marx was an outstanding sociologist when it came to perceving what the world was like at the time, but his ideas on how to change what he percevied are inherently flawed. I actually just got done doing a final project on him for my sociology class, and personally I think he would have changed many of his philosophys if he had seen how people used them to create the exact sort of dystopian sociaty he was fighting against in europe at the time
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I said what I said because communism doesn't need an authoritarian regime to get a leg to stand on. That's why it's on par with fascism on the whole "Things we don't want here in the west"
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on December 18, 2017, 03:59:37 PM ---they weren't tribal therefore they went after the Jews, they saw the Jews as the communists saw the rich people of society and therefore went after them and that made them tribal
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Are you just completely spacing the whole aryan supremacy thing?
SeventhSandwich:
>Is Communism the worst? Or national socialistsm is the worst?
>liberal makes post about why national socialistsm is evil
>conservatives interpret it as an implicit defense of communism
>stuffstorm
>conservative makes post about why communism is evil
>liberals interpret it as an implicit defense of national socialistsm
>stuffstorm
these threads all follow the same pattern. communism and national socialistsm are both terrible ideologies, and it doesn't create useful discussions to argue about which one is 'worse' because that's a multifaceted question that doesn't have an easy answer.
why not just agree they both suck?
Kearn:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on December 18, 2017, 04:02:15 PM ---why not just agree they both suck?
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because muh nuance
Tactical Nuke:
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on December 18, 2017, 04:00:27 PM ---Are you just completely spacing the whole aryan supremacy thing?
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I read the title wrong and thought it said fascism, which isn't inherently tribal, as opposed to national socialistsm, which is
that being said, it's a lot easier to get your agenda of kicking out the rich done if you theorize that your blood makes you a million times more qualified to own what the rich do