[news] facebook stocks plunge because of shadowbans

[Deus Ex]

Corporations should not be able to violate free speech laws idk who's idea it is to give them that power or allow them to maintain it but just know that eventually, the tools used to censor one person will inevitably be used to censor someone else, and suddenly it's 1984 and no one can talk stuff about anything w/o getting banned off every platform cause google owns everything

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[thegoodperry]

Corporations should not be able to violate free speech laws idk who's idea it is to give them that power or allow them to maintain it but just know that eventually, the tools used to censor one person will inevitably be used to censor someone else, and suddenly it's 1984 and no one can talk stuff about anything w/o getting banned off every platform cause google owns everything

this is the equivalent of saying that it should be illegal to kick someone out of your house because your house is too big and everyone goes there so kicking someone out will result in a biased censorship regime. So what if they go apestuff and smear garbage all over your walls and yell nonsense at the other guests to make them feel uncomfortable- it's freedom of speech

Reasons why the above scenario is dumb
A) it's your house
B) nobody even pays rent anyways
C) your dumb

[Kyuande]

freedom of speech

Obviously no one ever reads the terms and conditions as well as their privacy policy when they sign up.

These websites can literally do anything with your information once you hit that accept button. You cannot really complain about "free speech" if Facebook literally has somewhere in their terms to make it limited or whatever. You cannot report it either because you signed that contract.

The worst part on some of these contracts is that they will say they can change whatever they want on there and you have a choice to accept it again or it says you automatically accept it.


While this can be a stuffty move you made the choice to go by their rules and use their service.

[Frequency]

i could have made a bearish credit spread but I had no idea what was going on REEEEEEEEE

[King Tøny]

Corporations should not be able to violate free speech laws

Funny thing is in countries without free speech like germany, germany is paying facebook to basically report and hand over anything that is in-violation of their anti free speech laws.

[Master Matthew²]

Freedom of speech is more than just "some stuffe idea on the list of american amendments".

It's an idea that is important, and needed, as part of American Society.
So, are you Pro-Free Speech, not just in public places, or where it applies, but completely as an idea?
 

[otto-san]

Corporations should not be able to violate free speech laws idk who's idea it is to give them that power or allow them to maintain it but just know that eventually, the tools used to censor one person will inevitably be used to censor someone else, and suddenly it's 1984 and no one can talk stuff about anything w/o getting banned off every platform cause google owns everything

private interests are absolutely a lot more powerful now than the framers could have ever anticipated; they actually hold a significant amount of political power (Perhaps more than citizens :largethink:), and more importantly, they have a non-trivial amount of power over employees and consumers. it's definitely conceivable that a private entity could pose a legitimate threat to free speech, and i wouldn't be surprised if there's already some legal precedent to deal with it. if someone could prove that a business's actions significantly burden freedom of speech, then at least in principle it makes sense that something should be done about it. i just don't see how the bill of rights can be legally incorporated into private matters in practice.

that being said tho, if corporations are people, does that mean if i tell someone to shut up for telling tribal jokes or smth i could also get penalized? 🤔🤔🤔

[thegoodperry]

Freedom of speech is more than just "some stuffe idea on the list of american amendments".

It's an idea that is important, and needed, as part of American Society.
So, are you Pro-Free Speech, not just in public places, or where it applies, but completely as an idea?

if I own property and someone comes on said property yelling profanities, forget freedom of speech because I'm getting a restraining order asap. They can have all the freedom of speech they want out in the street, at least 1000 feet away from my house

Freedom of speech is fine but if you're violating other laws like trespassing then you'll be removed from the area. Doesnt mean your freedom of speech was removed, it just means you must practice it somewhere else. Same principle on facebook. Their EULA is legally binding so if you violate any part of that agreement they have the right to ban your account. It's not really inhibiting your freedom of expression, just forcing you to express it elsewhere because you've already broken their lawbound rules

[Master Matthew²]

if I own property and someone comes on said property yelling profanities, forget freedom of speech because I'm getting a restraining order asap. They can have all the freedom of speech they want out in the street, at least 1000 feet away from my house

Freedom of speech is fine but if you're violating other laws like trespassing then you'll be removed from the area. Doesnt mean your freedom of speech was removed, it just means you must practice it somewhere else. Same principle on facebook. Their EULA is legally binding so if you violate any part of that agreement they have the right to ban your account. It's not really inhibiting your freedom of expression, just forcing you to express it elsewhere because you've already broken their lawbound rules

Private Property =/= Commercial Property.

[otto-san]

Private Property =/= Commercial Property.

is a website considered property

[Master Matthew²]

is a website considered property

I would think so... right?

I'm not sure, now that you're saying that...

[Drydess]

Corporations should not be able to violate free speech laws idk who's idea it is to give them that power or allow them to maintain it but just know that eventually, the tools used to censor one person will inevitably be used to censor someone else, and suddenly it's 1984 and no one can talk stuff about anything w/o getting banned off every platform cause google owns everything

corporations should be able to violate free speech, because they're private companies. if they weren't allowed to block free speech they wouldn't be private. the problem begins when the government tacks private corporations to violate free speech or the geneva convention, or really just anything that the government couldn't legally do independently

[Damp]

dues ex? durrrr hurrr furrr

[thegoodperry]

Private Property =/= Commercial Property.

web property is considered real property and owners of said property are legally allowed to bar any individual from entering that property, even law enforcement. Police would have to seize the physical server if they wanted access

Basically all websites are private property of the WWW, the provider and the host/operator. Anyone who isn't part of that list is a client and can be removed from the service at will or however the EULA describes. Look at blockland forum. Badspot is legally allowed to ban any user he wants with zero legal repercussions. It's his private property. SMF is also allowed to cancel badspots service for any reason they see fit

If you don't like that find a different forum. You're lucky that the host is reasonable enough to ban only people who absolutely deserve it or even remove mistake bans to people who appeal, which he doesn't even need to do and is probably against his own financial interests

[King Tøny]

Free speech laws only applies to government.


However when facebook starts acting like its own governmental institution and only allowing political opinions they approve of then that is called propaganda which violates our constitutional rights. Not to mention facebook themselves are getting approval from the government to do these types of things.