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U.S.A. Politics Thread
Nonnel:
--- Quote from: Master Matthew² on August 31, 2020, 01:24:20 PM ---When you post non-arguments do you hear rational thoughts yelping out in pain in your head? or did you cancel that too?
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i wasn't arguing with you i was making fun of you LOL
le facts and logic are that if you think leftists control the media or social media then your brain is a peanut. you show me a rich leftist or a corporation owned by a leftist. it sure as hell isn't CBS or MSNBC or FOX or CNN, or twitter or facebook or anything else. the problem is that you've pushed your mental overton window so far to the right that you think neo-liberal capitalists are pinko commies.
otto-san:
--- Quote from: Crook on August 31, 2020, 01:31:31 PM ---How would we accomplish this? The majority of officer fatalities occur during traffic stop ambushes over minor traffic infractions. Is it possible to know when to escalate?
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that is a pretty good point, and it puts the problem into perspective a little bit. if those civilians didn't have those guns, then they wouldn't have the ability to escalate the situation to deadly force, i suppose. of course the fact is, civilians have ready access to guns, and that has to fit into the discussion somewhere; if civilians can bring that kind of heat to the confrontation then i can see the argument that cops should as well. problem is, when people have guns, there is always the possibility of unnecessary death.
i suppose it's rather narrow to look only at issues of police brutality, because in truth it's one edge of a complex web of interconnected issues. i guess i should say, i would rather see us work toward a state where police do not need to be equipped to escalate to deadly force. to actually accomplish that, clearly you can't just take away their guns, though i think demilitarizing the police now is a good goal along the way.
Superbro11:
Based and dinnerpilled.
Master Matthew²:
--- Quote from: Gytyyhgfffff on August 31, 2020, 01:27:57 PM --- your stupid ass scapegoat leftists invented by the absolute garbage you listen to don't control loving anything otherwise all these policies would actually be making a decent amount of headway. you are legitimately the stupidest person i've ever met. its like not really hard at all to like actually look up actual leftist policy and see all of this for yourself.
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That's why I looked it all up, and proved you completely wrong.
And they have made headway, insane amounts. Thankfully Annoying Orange started standing in their way around 2016.
Prior to that it was being pushed harder and harder with no push back.
--- Quote from: otto-san on August 31, 2020, 01:46:22 PM ---that is a pretty good point, and it puts the problem into perspective a little bit. if those civilians didn't have those guns, then they wouldn't have the ability to escalate the situation to deadly force, i suppose. of course the fact is, civilians have ready access to guns, and that has to fit into the discussion somewhere; if civilians can bring that kind of heat to the confrontation then i can see the argument that cops should as well. problem is, when people have guns, there is always the possibility of unnecessary death.
i suppose it's rather narrow to look only at issues of police brutality, because in truth it's one edge of a complex web of interconnected issues. i guess i should say, i would rather see us work toward a state where police do not need to be equipped to escalate to deadly force. to actually accomplish that, clearly you can't just take away their guns, though i think demilitarizing the police now is a good goal along the way.
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Current US:
starfish reaches for a gun, cop pulls out his gun and shoots him before he can grab it.
Your US:
starfish reaches for a gun, cop reaches for his gun goes "Oh stuff, that's right. Guess I'll die" and dies.
Crook:
Though dodging the gun argument I will say this: Officers in Australia carry firearms despite their straight up no civilian weapon policy. While disarming officers would quite effectively end police shootings, it strips them of some options when not only protecting themselves but others. It feels like a solution to a symptom rather than the illness, a shift of deaths to the other side of the fence rather than a reduction.