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Israel's War Against the Middle East
Ladios:
So after Israel rejected 10 ceasefire deals, they are finally coming to the table to discuss an exchange of prisoners on each side.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-weighs-hamas-response-gaza-ceasefire-proposal-2024-07-04/
Many of Netanyahu's senior staff have threatened to quit the government, however, if this current invasion ends without all of Hamas eradicated.
This does put Netanyahu in a tough position as he is at this point only supported by the far-right, and without his supporters, this will likely be his last term in office, especially as Israeli elections draw close, and more and more Israeli civillians wish to see an end to hostilities and attempts to rebuild relations with their Palestinian neighbors.
Like I've said before, this war is completely unnecessary, and its main supporters are politicians who are trying to use it to hold onto their positions.
I guess we'll see if Netanyahu has finally grown tired of this charade and will actually do something effective to bring the hostages home.
ultimamax:
he is probably going to jail for corruption as soon as the "war" ends, and he knows it, so i'm not expecting anything
BubbaGum:
I can't believe we're having intelligent and thoughtful conversations about real life issues on this God forsaken hellhole of a forum, it almost warms my heart in a way.
Ladios:
Considering that I am a whole legal adult older than I was when I joined the forums, I hope most of my posts these days aren't stuffpost fish spamming.
Ladios:
I apologize that this post ended up being edited, I had to troubleshoot the forget out of this to figure out why it wasn't letting me post, and I guess it had something to do with certain words possibly using alternate characters but when I retyped them it fixed them? Idfk
So Israeli media agency, Haaretz, recently disclosed that during the attacks on October 7th, Israel's military was ordered to follow the "Hannibal Directive".
--- Quote ---The directive was created by the Israeli military in the 1980s as an operating procedure designed to prevent the kidnap of soldiers by whatever means necessary, even if that comes at the expense of the lives of civilian hostages.
It has previously been blamed for possible war crimes, encouraging excessive or indiscriminate fire, and was formally discontinued in 2016.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote ---A southern command source told the paper: "Everyone knew by then that such vehicles could be carrying kidnapped civilians or soldiers ... Everyone knew what it meant to not let any vehicles return to Gaza."
--- End quote ---
In what was initially reported as Friendly Fire Incidents, which is usually used to explain accidental self-inflicted casualties, are now confirmed to be the direct orders of the Israeli military to fire on vehicles that they knew contained civilian and military hostages.
A couple more links in case you don't want to sign up for a Haaretz account:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-hamas-attack-hannibal-haaretz-b2575744.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/07/israel-idf-hannibal-protocol-hamas-attack-haaretz
Imagine if in the US we had someone holding people hostage in a bank or something and the police response was to just to blow the whole thing up to make sure we killed the kidnappers.
I don't know what else to say. I don't really have any comments to attach to this, its not really something worthy of debate as much as it is just a stuffty thing that has happened.
Meanwhile, Israel refuses to end fighting until all their war goals are met. Now of course i'm not a politician myself, but "We will only accept a treaty after we have killed everyone on the other side." isn't really how ceasefire negotiations are supposed to go iirc.
Hamas has even dropped their demand that the ceasefire be permanent, which was one of the previous key sticking points that Israel wouldn't accept, and are accepting a six-week hold while further negotiations are underway. I guess we'll have to see if Israel will accept the deal now that they are given permission to resume their attacks after the six weeks.