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I can't refute everything in the fire hose that is Ladio's posts (The reason I locked the last topic.) I'd like to just make one two small points:

274 Palestinians died. (Maybe) This is very very different than your claim that 274 civilians died. If you're going to spread information you could at least make sure it's accurate.

I find your posts to have a lot of shock and horror that's supposed to be taken at face value. You make lots of edits to update numbers since you're willing to grab any story that backs up your side the instant it releases. If I was doing the same I could be posting links to stories that one of the hostage keepers was a journalist for Al Jazeera, the propaganda news source you frequently post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism
« Last Edit: June 10, 2024, 06:16:48 PM by Soukuw »

Ok. I have updated the post to specify that we are not certain how many of the 274 killed in this specific attack were civillians (although I am sure we can both agree that the 64 children killed were unlikely to be Hamas agents)

Unfortunately it is difficult indeed to get exact numbers when Israel says only 100 Palestinians were killed. (that is a rather high number, still when rescuing only 4 people and killing 3 people that were supposed to be rescued but ok.) Of those Israel itself has only confirmed that 17 of them were militant combatants. That is still at least 83 civilians. (247 if we are going by the health ministry that has to deal with the influx of injuries after every one of the assaults)

But here are some more non al-jazeera sources:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-06-09-2024-61eb1be9a9d0cf2dbf250cd4a8ed4dbf
https://www.democracynow.org/2024/6/10/headlines/israel_kills_274_gazans_including_64_children_in_attack_on_nuseirat_that_freed_4_hostages
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/09/middleeast/israel-hostage-rescue-gaza-intl-hnk/index.html
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/health-ministry-in-gaza-says-274-palestinians-died-in-israels-raid-that-rescued-4-hostages
https://theintercept.com/2024/06/10/nuseirat-massacre-israel-hostage-rescue-gaza/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-rescues-four-hostages-gaza-palestinians-say-50-dead-israeli-assault-2024-06-08/

Yes, Al-Jazeera is the primary news agency that has up-to-date reporting of the events in Gaza, and thus is going to be the most easily cited when these events occur instead of waiting two days for CNN or APNews to print the same stories.

I'm also taking a brief look through that list of controversies, some of it does seem troubling. Some of it, not so much. I will leave a tldr for those who don't want to read that whole link.

In Algeria, the government shut off residents power to prevent them from seeing Al-Jazeera's coverage of Algerian military's abuse of power. Not so troubling.
In Australia they were criticized for a documentary revealing a far-right politician's connections to the US's gun lobbyists. Not so troubling.
In Bangladesh, they are accused of downplaying atrocities committed by Pakistani militia groups, while criticizing Bangladesh's democratic government. Yeah, that's troubling.
In Bahrain, they were banned for being too pro-Israeli. Not so much troubling as confusing.
In Egypt, they were condemned for their bias against Egyptian royal government and support of the Muslim Brotherhood organisation,
(An organization originally founded to combat Britian's occupation in Egypt and promote Islamist teachings. It supported Egypt's transition into a democracy, and during the Arab Spring movement in 2012 achieved the first democratically elected president in Egypt, who was later ousted for failing to curtail the Brotherhood's pro-islamic extremism after their election. It's a very complicated subject and worthy of an entirely different thread). That is to say, for this point, It's definitely complicated. And I can agree this could troubling.

I unfortunately have to run to the store, but I can continue to summarize this list later. It should suffice to say for now, that yes, this news source, like many others, are biased around what their audience is concerned about. That is why, when pressed for more sources, I don't stick to just one. When devising a brief summary of events, as I have been doing, however, (in a thread that practically no one reads anyways) there is little benefit for me to be so extensive.

And again I update my posts through edits to avoid being spammy, but if you prefer i can just double post.

you literally got completely loving dogwalked on this topic already and locked your thread without responding. you are a dumbass literally just stop posting

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274 Palestinians died. (Maybe)
in every conflict before this one, the gaza ministry of health's numbers have fallen extremely close to the number the UN eventually settles on. israeli and US intelligence have been relying on their data for 2 decades



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If I was doing the same I could be posting links to stories that one of the hostage keepers was a journalist for Al Jazeera
literally the only source for this is the IDF

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the propaganda news source you frequently post.
every media organization in israel, including foreign media like CNN, is subject to censorship by military censors, so there isn't really a "non-propaganda" unbiased source anywhere in the region. al jazeera's reporting on the conflict is pretty much the best in the region, but direct accounts from people in gaza are even better. some israeli outlets are pretty good too (+972 mag for instance, and sometimes haartez).

I would have attatched this to my previous post, but I didn't want to edit it to make it seem overwhelming:
If I was doing the same I could be posting links to stories that one of the hostage keepers was a journalist for Al Jazeera,
You could, but even CNN would say you need a bit more evidence.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/10/middleeast/israel-gaza-hostages-journalist-hamas-intl-hnk/index.html

I'll get back to TLDRing the controversy list for those interested after I finish making dinner.
I would like to note a clarification to my last post however, that mistakenly made it seem like I was implying Egypt was a monarchy before the 2011/2012 revolution and election. Mubarak, the president prior to the revolution, was not democratically elected, but instead appointed after his service in the military.
I don't want to edit the post though so I will just have to leave the clarification here.


Read the last sentence in the image you posted and think a little.
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literally the only source for this is the IDF
Did I link that or in anyway claim that it was factual? Notice the IF in my post? I'm saying that posting about that would be as accurate as solely quoting Al Jazzera.

Did I link that or in anyway claim that it was factual? Notice the IF in my post? I'm saying that posting about that would be as accurate as solely quoting Al Jazzera.
And Ladios counter-pointed that by bringing up multiple other news sources other than Al Jazeera.

Read the last sentence in the image you posted and think a little.
You said 274 Palestinians died "maybe". I didn't say anything about combatants or noncombatants. I was pointing out that the GHM figures on the total death toll have been reliable for decades.

That being said, if the IDF is claiming only around 100 people died, and in reality 274 people died which I believe is credible, then we can infer that the 174 people they didn't count were completely accidental collateral damage. Because the IDF claims to have a robust accurate count of how many combatants they've killed (currently they say it's around 14,000.)

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Did I link that or in anyway claim that it was factual? Notice the IF in my post? I'm saying that posting about that would be as accurate as solely quoting Al Jazzera.
I understand that, I just wanted to make it explicit that the IDF is the only source for that claim.

Also now I want to say that those aren't directly comparable entities. Al-Jazeera is a well-regarded media organization, albeit one that you can expect to exhibit a pro-Qatar bias. Whereas the IDF is a historically unreliable primary source and literally one of the parties in the conflict.

evil jew scum
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I can't refute everything in the fire hose that is Ladio's posts (The reason I locked the last topic.)
ha


never seen hungergames i cant relate