Civ Div

[Ladios]

Fun aside, the feudal era had shorter work hours and more employer-provided benefits than we have now under capitalism lol

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[Satan From Wreck-It-Ralph]

Fun aside, the feudal era had shorter work hours and more employer-provided benefits than we have now under capitalism lol

ahem.

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ahem.

Oh fun! See, I only remember reading a couple news articles that referenced Schor's work but never dug deeper into her sources.
Glad to have more context on how that claim came about, thanks!
Guess you can't trust everything you read in the news, who knew? 

capitalism still sucks tho lmao

[Epicduke]

Never trust a pop history article

[Ladios]

Yeah, I still see that stupid meme about "wow railroads in the us are spaced they way they are cause of roman chariots" completely ignoring there were like 7 different competing railroad gauges, but every few months I see someone else post "wow did you know railroads..."

[ultimamax]

is this the guy who got kidnapped by the taliban for a while

[Ceist]

is this the guy who got kidnapped by the taliban for a while

i don't think so. civ div does youtube blogger stuff about his volunteer soldiery/mercenary work in Ukraine and for the Kurds. there's speculation he's a former blockland user, idk if i believe it.

edit: idk if CivDiv is legally a mercenary. He's a part of the UAF foreign legion so he's still technically a professional standing soldier, just for a country he's not native to.

[Frontrox]

is this the guy who got kidnapped by the taliban for a while

That would be Lord Miles

[Drydess]

As a staunch anti-imperialist myself, I of course denounce the military industrial complex and the horrors we have committed as a nation at the behest of the multi-national corporations attempting to acquire new land for development or resource exploitation.

That said, many of the veterans I have met (and this may just be because of the bias of my own experience and people I associate with) have come from backgrounds that either left them with little other prospects to afford a higher education than a military scholarship, or grew up in families that supported imperialism to such an extent that they felt it was their civic duty to fight on behalf of our nation. Of these people, all of them have grown disillusioned when actually interacting with the people overseas and learning first hand the nuanced experience in a way that none of us civilians would be able to articulate, even if we were to travel abroad ourselves. All of the ones I know who have been in direct combat have stated how they regret what they had to do to stay alive in a situation where they would rather have talked it out. They are the ones who first hand could verify that we are fighting not just statistics but actual people who are driven through ideology or necessity to strike back against our troops. Upon returning home, they unanimously (the ones I know personally at least) have been driven from their conservative and/or centrist beliefs to strongly anti-war leftists.

Unfortunately our government is still doing its best to keep the pipeline to joining the military open, but fewer and fewer recruits are swayed each year. Hence this year they have announced a recall of all veterans under 50 years old to mandatorily re-enlist, even those who have since become jaded and realised what a stuffshow this all is.

All that is to say, the question of people "voluntarily" joining the armed forces is much less black and white than you are saying.

Except for PMCs.
Anyone who joins Academi/Blackwater or the like is absolute scum and just doing it for the pay check and to look cool getting all the top-end gear.

yawn

[Drydess]

Personally if i were handicapped or poor i would simply work at a fast food joint that has the exact same benefits as the US military instead of getting iced by a guy whose wife was killed by my poor or handicapped dad while my own wife is sitting pretty with the plumber

[ultimamax]

As a staunch anti-imperialist myself, I of course denounce the military industrial complex and the horrors we have committed as a nation at the behest of the multi-national corporations attempting to acquire new land for development or resource exploitation.

That said, many of the veterans I have met (and this may just be because of the bias of my own experience and people I associate with) have come from backgrounds that either left them with little other prospects to afford a higher education than a military scholarship, or grew up in families that supported imperialism to such an extent that they felt it was their civic duty to fight on behalf of our nation.

i dont think you are owed a higher education if it comes at the expense of random brown peoples' lives

Of these people, all of them have grown disillusioned when actually interacting with the people overseas and learning first hand the nuanced experience in a way that none of us civilians would be able to articulate, even if we were to travel abroad ourselves.

dumbass

we should be very skeptical of US military or veteran "anti-war leftists". having vocally different politics alone doesn't make somebody like that any more trustworthy. theyve already shown you who they are

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Yup, you've convinced me that it is entirely impossible for anyone to change their worldview under any circumstance.

[Camel]

do you think he was an ACM city guy or more of a beta city guy

[Satan From Wreck-It-Ralph]

do you think he was an ACM city guy or more of a beta city guy

afghanistan dm