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Obama, the attention whore
Duckmeister:
--- Quote from: FlyGuy45 on May 11, 2009, 08:32:27 PM ---The people are right when a majority of them are sick watching everyone loose their lives from hunger and Self Delete, and loosing all their money in closing banks. DEMOCRACY HELLO!
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So, the people are right only when calamity occurs, but not at other times. America never was a full democracy, and that's a very good thing.
--- Quote from: FlyGuy45 on May 11, 2009, 08:32:27 PM ---FDR is not considered a good president because he did everything perfectly, he was a good president because he advanced change in a time when people really needed help. Lending a hand to a dieing person is so much better than watching them die while doing nothing.
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What FDR really did was blindly intervening with the ebb and flow of capitalism with the real intention of increasing government power. He did the exact opposite of lending a hand to a dying person.
--- Quote from: FlyGuy45 on May 11, 2009, 08:32:27 PM ---If you read anything, you will notice how I repeat again and again about how things change and how regulation and tariffs change. Look at the Reciprocal Trade Agreement, the Hawley-Smoot Tariff, Fordney-McCumber Tariff, and the NAFTA. See how different these are. It is pretty safe to say that people were angry with L-F. Look at the rise of labor unions, the rise of the socialist party, the Gospel of Wealth, and THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT. Rich people will not give you money, and they should be the ones who trickle the money down to you.
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A false representation of history will get you nowhere.
--- Quote from: FlyGuy45 on May 11, 2009, 08:32:27 PM ---High taxes and Capitalism have nothing to do with each other, since L-F CANNOT have any regulation. Keynesian economics is not a part of L-F, its own economic theory used with L-F. And if Capitalism -> Trickle Down Economics, all you will get is a new library, which is what the Gospel of Wealth was. And each president uses his own theory, look at Supply Side Economics, or Reagenomics.
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First, you yet again misrepresent what I say. LAISSEZ-FAIRE DOESN'T MEAN NO REGULATION AT ALL! KEYNESIAN ECONOMICS ARE PART OF FDR'S PROBLEMS! KEYNESIAN ECONOMICS ARE NOT A PART OF L-F! CHANGE IS NOT ALWAYS GOOD! THE PEOPLE ARE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT! Again, you set up a straw man, instead of arguing with what I actually say, and then when I call you on the carpet, you say you want to see my degree in economics. Second, you have botched up your history here so much that it is no longer a subject of your false interpretation of history, it is you making connections and descriptions that aren't actually a part of reality.
--- Quote from: FlyGuy45 on May 11, 2009, 08:32:27 PM ---I am no economist, but I know history, and what I am showing you is all lookupable on wiki. You cite nothing.
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Really, I could cite the same exact things you do, but you have such a messed up interpretation of history that you think it's really supporting your argument.
If you keep botching up your history in order to support your contradict- I mean complex argument, then I'm out.
LTvic:
These post are to god forsaken long.
FlyGuy45:
--- Quote from: Duckmeister on May 11, 2009, 08:43:50 PM ---So, the people are right only when calamity occurs, but not at other times. America never was a full democracy, and that's a very good thing.
What FDR really did was blindly intervening with the ebb and flow of capitalism with the real intention of increasing government power. He did the exact opposite of lending a hand to a dying person.
First, you yet again misrepresent what I say. LAISSEZ-FAIRE DOESN'T MEAN NO REGULATION AT ALL! KEYNESIAN ECONOMICS ARE PART OF FDR'S PROBLEMS! KEYNESIAN ECONOMICS ARE NOT A PART OF L-F! CHANGE IS NOT ALWAYS GOOD! THE PEOPLE ARE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT! Again, you set up a straw man, instead of arguing with what I actually say, and then when I call you on the carpet, you say you want to see my degree in economics. Second, you have botched up your history here so much that it is no longer a subject of your false interpretation of history, it is you making connections and descriptions that aren't actually a part of reality.
Really, I could cite the same exact things you do, but you have such a messed up interpretation of history that you think it's really supporting your argument.
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/facepalm
What grade are you in first of all? Because you have no loving idea what I am talking about. It is really as simple as that.
The only time FDR tried to gain more power was with his idea of "packing the court" he needed a liberal SC so he could pass his legislation. He did try to gain more power for the executive branch but so did Jackson and Lincoln.
Jackson->Moving the Indians against the SC's wishes
Lincoln->
--- Quote ---During the Civil War, Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money before Congress appropriated it, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial.[67]
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This is not a false representation of History. Maybe if you stopped reading bias sources, you will see what is wrong. I want you to point out what is wrong. I dare you, come on do it.
This is L-F: Minimize or remove. Where do you draw the line?
--- Quote ---The term is often used to refer to various economic philosophies and political philosophies which seek to minimize or eliminate government intervention in most or all aspects of society.
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--- Quote ---Really, I could cite the same exact things you do...
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Ok go. Let's see then. Did I make up the ICC, the Socialist movements the Progressive movement, trustbusting, Taft or Roosevelt?
You are just so handicapped when it comes to history, I bet you are still in grade school reading the history book that tells us AMRICA IS GRET!
And you should go re-read my posts, I stated the "boom and bust cycle" of Capitalism.
pen:
--- Quote from: Shrum on May 11, 2009, 08:18:52 PM ---"Barack Obama wears glasses. Osama bin Laden doesn't wear glasses."
"He takes them of when he transforms."
"That doesn't make any sense! He wouldn't be able to see!"
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there's another wonderful new invention called contact lenses
Olinaj:
ITT: Idiot 10 year olds who know jack stuff about politics pretend they know what they're doing.
ANYONE WHO CALLS PRESIDENT OBAMA OSAMA BIN LADEN IS A tribal, YOU KNOW WHY? Because it is loving stereotyping him because of his name and his fathers beliefs. OP, I hope you know you just cursed yourself politically forever for saying all this bullstuff, and not even having the resources to back it up.
On-topic: I think your just another neo-conservative in the making who watches Cheney rant on Fixed Noise about sitting there at the white house " defending our country" and listens to Rush Limbagh. You need to realize that all of your posts in this thread are NOT valid because you didn't a, provide a source for your rants or b, do anything other than complain. Obama has not had a single forget up since Inauguration day, and you need to accept the fact that you can bitch and moan all you want about him being a socialist or Osama Bin Laden, but it won't mean stuff in the grand scheme of things.