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Kids and politics
Wedge:
--- Quote from: Inv3rted on October 07, 2009, 05:36:22 PM ---What I mean is that the morals we are told to follow in our culture stem from religion, and therefore should be ignored. We should have a new code of conduct totally separate from religion, which will be the ethics of an ideal society.
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Since you are not religious, would it be fair for me to assume that you believe that religion was constructed and in fact evolved around a of commonly held set of beliefs, principles, practices and superstitions? And that, indeed, if religion is only a construct of humans that originated in a set of common beliefs, the commonly held set of beliefs that are behind the religion must have come first? People have to believe something is true before they can tell themselves God says it's true. And using the definition of morals as a commonly held system of what is right and wrong, morals most likely emerged before religion?
Perhaps the morals we follow, while surrounded in what you believe to be a lot of mysticism, have a far more ancient origin. Many morals are not specific to any particular religion, perhaps they emerged simultaneously around the world in different cultures and tribes because they were necessary for the survival of society?
Morals, while a key part of many religions, are not in and of themselves religious. An example of a moral is "Killing is wrong." Many people believe "Killing is wrong because God says so" but also believe "Killing is wrong." I'm not entirely certain what it is what you want to do. You say that you want to produce a "religiousless set of morals." I believe that morals are inherently religiousless although they may have a religious context and history built around them. It appears to me anyway, that what you really mean to say is that "I am afraid that in current society morals are taught in a fashion that leads people to see them in a religious context and I cannot stand it."
--- Quote from: Inv3rted on October 07, 2009, 06:43:09 PM ---You're both idiots
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Snackbar appears to be saying that ethical behavior (and by the way your argument of secular ethics vs superstitious morals does not fly with my dictionary) can exist outside of religion and that just because a moral may appear in a religious context does not necessarily mean it should be ignored, which appears to actually agree with what you are arguing. Rughugger never said ethical behavior could not exist outside of religion, you built up your own straw man.
Also calling them idiots makes you look like a huge douchebag and takes away from whatever point you appear to be trying to make but I'm sure you don't care.
devildogelite:
--- Quote from: Omega on October 07, 2009, 06:53:22 PM ---Me? Nooo.
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No, not you you're n/a. Inv3rted is 15 and hes arguing with adult who more likely than not has a wider view on the world considering hes been around longer. Inv3rted seems to think that he knows so much about the real world even though he has only experienced so little. I am 15 and I realize that I have been around for a short time, I have not been able to experience a lot of the real world.
Daedalus:
--- Quote from: devildogelite on October 07, 2009, 06:58:51 PM ---No, not you you're n/a. Inv3rted is 15 and hes arguing with adult who more likely than not has a wider view on the world considering hes been around longer. Inv3rted seems to think that he knows so much about the real world even though he has only experienced so little. I am 15 and I realize that I have been around for a short time, I have not been able to experience a lot of the real world.
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Haha, yeah, N/A; let's go with that.
Rughugger:
--- Quote from: devildogelite on October 07, 2009, 06:58:51 PM ---No, not you you're n/a. Inv3rted is 15 and hes arguing with adult who more likely than not has a wider view on the world considering hes been around longer. Inv3rted seems to think that he knows so much about the real world even though he has only experienced so little. I am 15 and I realize that I have been around for a short time, I have not been able to experience a lot of the real world.
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In Inv3rted's defense, I'm still a young man and I have a lot to learn in my life as well. It's a never ending process. But he just likes to dump on religious things because he knows he'll get a reaction from it. It's a cheap but effective way to troll and attention whore. Let him do it. He has the right to.
devildogelite:
--- Quote from: Rughugger on October 07, 2009, 07:01:26 PM ---In Inv3rted's defense, I'm still a young man and I have a lot to learn in my life as well. It's a never ending process. But he just likes to dump on religious things because he knows he'll get a reaction from it. It's a cheap but effective way to troll and attention whore. Let him do it. He has the right to.
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I'm just saying that I know that I'm only 15 and I understand that I know very little on the ways of the world. Seeing as how you are in the real world not being cared for by your parents and having to work for what you get I would believe that you know a little more than him or me.