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| Bisjac:
--- Quote from: koolkody12 on October 08, 2009, 07:14:13 PM ---Great point. However, as good as it is, I disagree. Even though you're expected to show your beliefs, it doesn't mean that you should do it every single time especially if that "group" or belief is different from yours, you're pretty much just asking for trouble. --- End quote --- according to the bible yes you are. you fear showing your faith, your not a proper christian. |
| Rughugger:
Well of course an Atheist would put forth all of that to disprove a god. What a bleeding shock. Find me a religious person with similar views and I'll take the time to read it. Otherwise, anything an Atheist has to say about religion is bunk. Most Atheists out there are the way they are because they felt they were important enough to get too many special favors from a god and ended up getting nothing and so have to blame god for not being as awesome as they think they are. Or because they had some kind of enormous grief or injustice in their life that simple praying just won't solve. The other few are those who either never had a religion to begin with so have no basis to argue, or are doing so because it's the current fad and they don't want to look like a cigarette in front of their friends. And I'm not going to count the idiots who pour over a bible looking for as many inconsistencies to put together a crappy propagandist pamphlet arguing only one biased side. That's just way too easy to do with any piece of literature. Talk to Michael Moore about that, he makes movies on the same basis. We've already established several times in this thread alone that the Bible isn't 100% fact. We know that there are flaws of stories due to personal agendas and bad translating. That is all failings of Man, not God. And to try to blame God for something humans screw up is simply stupid. Any fault of fact or hypocritical matter you find in the Bible is because of a human interpretation of a spoken legend. But it's a start. It's a working model, and it has helped a lot of people through 2000 years of grief and strife. It has helped shape our current society and all of our current laws. Any fault you find in those are also from the misinterpretation and failing of man. The flawed hypocritical judgmental jealous thing you're so against is humanity. |
| Bisjac:
--- Quote from: Rughugger on October 08, 2009, 07:21:37 PM ---st00f --- End quote --- but atheists don't believe in god i thought lol. your entire description of them shows that they are simply angry believers. |
| Rughugger:
--- Quote from: Bisjac on October 08, 2009, 07:24:27 PM ---but atheists don't believe in god i thought lol. your entire description of them shows that they are simply angry believers. --- End quote --- In a way, yes. I lost my faith a few years back. I blamed God, naturally because he wasn't there to give me a sign that I was willing to accept because it didn't solve my problems for me. So I kept failing, kept getting more and more depressed and finally hit the point where I was contemplating Self Delete. And honestly, it wasn't that long ago. So in a way, no, I didn't believe in god. I denied his existence and went on my depressive pissy life until I read a book by a Minister in Texas. The way he wrote the book and the examples from the Bible he used just seemed right to me. It seemed as if that's the way Religion should be preached. And so I gained my faith back and I'm proud to be born again. People loose their faith in some way or are never taught about it in the first place because of parents who lost their faith. That's how a belief spreads just like religions. No Atheism isn't a religion, but it is a belief. But Inv3rted keeps avoiding his reasons for not believing, so I have no idea on how to judge his arguments. But I assume from the fact that he has to insult everyone who has a counter argument that he is someone who has a grudge, or someone who lost their faith or was taught not to have one by parents who did. |
| Snackbar:
--- Quote from: Bisjac on October 08, 2009, 06:55:08 PM ---hurr durr ok --- End quote --- Excellent riposte! You have won me over with that brilliant response! Your argument skills are truly the nonpareil! My point still stands. Since the 4th century BCE, the Western and Middle Eastern world has known that the Earth is a sphere. As the three major religions of the world are from these areas, they never thought the world was flat. --- Quote from: Inv3rted on October 08, 2009, 06:44:07 PM ---Richard Dawkins has also brought up a, dare I say, irrefutable proof --- End quote --- Two things wrong with this quote. First, you're about to quote an argument from Richard Dawkins on religion. As he has never actually read the Bible, he's about as qualified to talk about Christianity as he is qualified to discuss quantum physics; e.g., not at all. Secondly, you claim his proof to be irrefutable. Nothing is irrefutable. Absolutely nothing. Even mathematical axioms have been refuted. --- Quote from: Inv3rted on October 08, 2009, 06:44:07 PM ---Biblical literature has almost no historical value at all; the entire Old Testament is preposterous and vile and the story of Jesus is almost entirely taken from other legends of the region. --- End quote --- I suppose you know absolutely nothing about historians, do you? Don't even try to say otherwise, because this sentence definitively proves you don't. Since it seems like you're completely unaware of the fact that the Bible is widely used by historians for its historical value, and the Old Testament is considered to be, for the most part, historically accurate. |
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