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Off Topic / Re: We Write a Letter to Obama

« on: August 20, 2013, 01:19:58 AM »

p.s.
thanks for the ham and turkey dinner

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Off Topic / Re: Hot Grills Thread

« on: August 19, 2013, 08:17:47 PM »

BUMP MY GRILLBONER THIRSTS FOR THE GREASE OF A THOUSAND GRILLS

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Off Topic / Re: Post your car! (If you have one!)

« on: August 19, 2013, 08:14:12 PM »

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Off Topic / Re: I'm grounded to "prevent myself from getting bad grades"

« on: August 19, 2013, 08:11:48 PM »

Also, keep in mind a 15 year old is 83.33% of the way to legal adulthood. The stuff you learn in the following three years is not that revolutionary that it completely prepares you for the real world. A 15 year old is more capable than you give them credit for.

i understand that, i've been one before
but my point is there's no such thing as a 15 year old who's ready to just up and leave his family and start a life on his own-- most 15 year olds still find snake jokes funny, most 15 year olds wouldn't be able to handle high-pressure situations like car accidents or parties without making some sizable mistakes, and most 15 year olds wouldn't be able to keep a house clean for a good period of time on their own-- dishes and laundry

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Off Topic / Re: I'm grounded to "prevent myself from getting bad grades"

« on: August 19, 2013, 07:42:43 PM »

I still disagree. A fifteen year old is capable of caring for themselves. Maybe not 100%, but for day-to-day choices like what they want to spend their time on, I think a fifteen year old is capable of understanding the importance of school. Whether or not they pay attention to that is irrelevant, it's really the kids choice. Because of that, I think the parents should loosen restriction on what they spend their time on and hope their kid is successful. A parent bird doesn't carry a bird out of its nest, it shows it how to fly then hope it follows suit. I really hope that this entire argument has actually made an impact on Trogtor of some kind that pushes him to try harder in school though. Life can be hard, especially when you get dealt a stuffty hand of cards that includes something like autism, but that doesn't mean you can't still do the best you can.

a fifteen year old doesn't have the proper judgement that's needed to live in a world like this

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Drama / Re: Zadaam hacking on ZapK's Rising Lava

« on: August 19, 2013, 07:20:00 PM »

What are you going on about? You're over-complicating everything and trying to sound smart about it.

I am just saying that I don't like you based on what I have seen from you in the past several days. It's that simple.

lol you're the most handicapped cunt
abort yourself with an ax pls

User was banned for this post

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Off Topic / Re: Weird sleeping patterns.

« on: August 19, 2013, 01:21:01 AM »

Heh I don't need sleep for school.

i've never actually tried to stay up all night and go to school but i certainly will some day


for now my sleeping pattern is just i can't sleep until i take some sleeping pills and then i go to bed at 1 and wake up at 8

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Off Topic / Re: Hot Grills Thread

« on: August 19, 2013, 01:04:37 AM »

just released the psi from my propane tank if you know what im sayin

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Off Topic / Re: Gettin reaal tired of my internets stuff

« on: August 19, 2013, 12:55:54 AM »

hellman lol

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Off Topic / Re: I'm grounded to "prevent myself from getting bad grades"

« on: August 19, 2013, 12:52:22 AM »

Ooh, I missed this reply. I'm actually going to respond to it from the bottom up, just for fun.

My entire point this whole time hasn't been to use physical force to stop your parents from controlling you. You're essentially using a logical fallacy called straw man to support your argument, and at the same time also applying the ad hominem fallacy too. If my wife told me to stop watching research, my response would be, as expected, dependent on the situation. I can pretty safely say though that beating her and throwing her down a staircase wouldn't be in my options for how to respond. Though, from the way my posts are coming off, I'd have thought that you'd have said "Are you gonna tell your wife to go forget herself when she asks you to stop watching research?" And even that I've already defended myself against. I already said that most peoples (including my own) happiness is dependent on the happiness of others. Me watching research might make me happy, but more than likely her sadness would outweigh the happiness I gain from watching the research and I'd stop. That's not edgy, that's decision making.

Also, I agree. You should listen to your parents. If you listen to your parents, they shouldn't have to apply oppression at all. Only once they do apply oppression as a parenting technique do I suggest disobeying your parents. They have a legal and moral duty to guide you, and you should put that into consideration when making decisions. Otherwise, they'll have failed as parents. This is why my view towards parenting isn't "parents shouldn't be involved in the upbringing of a child." It's simply "parents should guide children as they grow rather than force them to conform to the exact path they believe is correct. There is more than one way for a life to be successful, and their view and their child's view may not be in line. In this case, since it is the child's life, the child should get the final say."

Again you're using fallacies against my argument. I'm not saying to use force to get your way. If your dad slapped you, it would not be an appropriate response to throw him down a staircase. If your dad pounced on top of you, beat you repeatedly with his fists, threw you at a wall, kicked you in the nuts, and threatened to break your arm, I think that throwing them down a staircase to stop them would be a fairly effective way to get them to stop. Some interpretation is needed to understand what I post. Response to a situation scales with the intensity of the situation. Never use more force in response to an attack than is intended in the attack perpetrated against you. Put more simply, if a person doesn't intend to injure you, don't injure them. If a person doesn't intend to kill you, don't kill them.

Your parents' view of you isn't really relevant to your own life. Do you think garbage collectors' parents beam at their kids with pride? No. Their parents probably had higher expectations, but that's not really how the kids' life worked out. It's not their fault, it's their kids fault. Don't assume responsibility for something that you didn't control. Forcing the kid to study in high school probably would have lead to a situation where they'd flunk out of college due to the surge of freedom that comes from living away from home. Forcing a kid isn't how you guide their future decisions, it's how you make them resent you. This topic is a perfect example. You guide your children by instilling values and advice into them, so when they're faced with future decisions they make the correct choice. If you force a kid to study, he may learn that subject right then. If you teach the kid that studying is an important tool in the life of a student, they'll study on their own and will learn many subjects to come. This is why the power of suggestion is greater than the power of force. Moderation between computer time and work/school time needs to be taught, not enforced.

That said, I know his parents have his best interest in mind. I think they're choosing the wrong path to go about raising him. If your kid does bad in school, you need to teach them that school is more important than video games. If they refuse to learn, then the next step isn't to force them to do school work over video games. When you're older and considering procrastinating on a report you have to write for work, you're not going to think "if I procrastinate, my parents will break into my apartment and take away my computer, so I better work on it now!" If they, however, taught you that work is more important than play, you may think "well, I know that work is more important. Maybe I should at least start before playing some games."

And once again, you're misconstruing my argument. I'm not saying authority is bad or saying that you should rebel against all authority. I'm saying you should rebel against oppression. Oppression is not a good thing for children or for people. I actually think it's an awful thing to teach children, because then as adults they'll be less sensitive to having their freedoms crushed by an authority figure. They'll be more supportive of a loss of their freedoms in exchange for the betterment of the community.

I'm going to start this off by saying I believe you are less intelligent than RaR and the detail of my response will scale with it. You can make a kid stop jumping off the top bunk of his bed via suggestion. Teach him that doing so is dangerous and that he will get hurt if he continues. If the kid still continues, hope they don't get seriously hurt. Maybe the kid really does know what they're doing and they won't get hurt at all. You also can stop procrastination through oppression. You can get a chastity belt for someone, lock it, and eat the key. Oppression is the "easy way out."

You can paint your house whatever color you want to for it is on private property. If you've signed into a house with a homeowners association that prevents painting your house whatever color you desire, that's a choice you willingly made to give up your freedom to paint your house. Move into a neighborhood without that restriction. That's not oppression, that's a choice between whether you want to live somewhere where restrictions are set to keep things looking pretty or not. You don't choose whether you want parents that oppress you or not, same with government.
Drugs are kind of a different story. It depends on the drug. I agree, parents can't always stop kids from doing drugs by saying 'drugs are bad.' It's a problem. However, if a kid is going to use drugs there's little you can do about it. You can always say that drugs are not allowed in your house. If you find them, throw them out. But, as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. If a kid is dead-set on doing drugs, there's absolutely nothing a parent can do to prevent them from doing it.
Have you ever heard of an brown townogy?

your wall of text is still wrong sorry bud

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Drama / Re: Zadaam hacking on ZapK's Rising Lava

« on: August 18, 2013, 10:53:49 PM »

I don't even know how to respond to this.

This makes no sense.

ok let's break it down

This guy has been on the forums for only 3 days and I am already starting to not like him.

i didn't ask you to like me lol

you're insinuating that it's worth debating over whether or not you should like me, in which case i strongly urge you to stop
you don't have to like me
i don't need you to like me
debate over?

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Drama / Re: Luigi :D - Banning and kicking people for bullstuff reasons

« on: August 18, 2013, 10:21:37 PM »

He didn't ban me for swearing. He kicked me for swearing then I get banned for "STOP IT SPARTA". You can ask lbpguy.

you were clearly doing something he didn't like, and just the premise of having a "bullstuff reason" to be banned makes no sense at all seeing as how i think there's more to this story than just your one side

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Off Topic / Re: I'm grounded to "prevent myself from getting bad grades"

« on: August 18, 2013, 10:09:10 PM »

jesus christ parents today are incompetent tools

wait no offense though

sorry

this is bullstuff

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Drama / Re: Luigi :D - Banning and kicking people for bullstuff reasons

« on: August 18, 2013, 10:07:59 PM »

he clearly banned you for swearing
which isn't a bull*stuff* reason

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Drama / Re: Zadaam hacking on ZapK's Rising Lava

« on: August 18, 2013, 10:06:04 PM »

I'm not drawing that conclusion from just that single post.

i didn't ask you to like me lol