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Off Topic / Re: Black Lives Matter hi-jacks orlando shooting morning ceremony.

« on: July 01, 2016, 01:57:59 AM »

Actually the slaves we shipped back from America to Africa actually used the knowledge they learned such as reading, writing, etc and were able to actually form civilizations that were more advanced than just spear chucking.

If we didn't enslave africans at all they would still be spear chuckers to this day.

Some, still are spear chuckers.

So slavery did make africa a slightly better place.

You missed the point entirely. If colonization never happened in the first place, you would not be able to say whether or not "Africans would benefit from it," since it would have never occurred. As Seventh stated, many African nations were well on their way to becoming industrialized without outsiders' "help."

White privilege has nothing to do with what you own. It's the perception of people that are white in society compared to people of color, simply because they are white and history has played out like it did. Your personal situation is unfortunate, but it is not an example where the term white privilege can be correctly applied.

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Drama / Re: Tenzuni: self-proclaimed tribal

« on: June 30, 2016, 10:21:20 PM »

I don't get what your point is though?

All you're saying is white privilege is not equated to racism and a "tribal America".

Okay great but that's not what this drama is about.

Many people were asking for a definition of "white privilege," which I provided and was refuted by Red Spy, which I also addressed. 

In the video given to me by Red Spy, the man spoke of the term "white privilege" as if it meant people were saying "America is inherently tribal."

What I'm saying is that white privilege only extends to describe the long-lasting effects that ones skin color has on their perception in society, and in particular, American society.

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Drama / Re: Tenzuni: self-proclaimed tribal

« on: June 30, 2016, 09:54:08 PM »

I've been waiting to use this video for so loving long so thank you

Although he speaks well, white privilege is not equated to a "tribal America".

If you bothered to watch the video yourself, you would realize that the examples he is giving are entirely separate from the ones I have given.

For example, in regards to dress, he specifically talked about the effects of someone telling a white man to pull his pants up versus a black man, ignorantly suggesting that if a white man told a black man to pull his pants up, they would be perceived as tribal, which makes no sense whatsoever and rarely occurs.

In regards to public speaking, he says that people wrongly claim that whites have it BETTER OFF with public speaking skills than blacks. I am not saying this. I simply mentioned that the mental response of a person speaking to an articulate black man (without previously knowing him) is often regarded as more surprising than a white person. This is also pointed out in society as "talking white," which I have been subjected to by both my white, and black, counterparts.


He is obviously anti-Obama, and he, HIMSELF, claims that Obama is only regarded as such a well-spoken person due to the "Affirmative Action points" given to him by the media. Completely nullifies his point due to his obvious bias regarding his views on Obama's character.

He also says something that I disagree with regarding Affirmative Action having a factor in modern-day education, and how many "lesser-qualified blacks" are being accepted into positions that their white counterparts do not get. He mentions Asians in here as well for some reason.

A very simple example to debunk his claim that white people are not treated differently by police is the War on Drugs, in which drug-addicted or drug-dealing blacks were severely punished by way of unnecessarily long periods of incarceration, whilst their wealthier white counterparts were not given NEARLY as harsh of punishments for having the same drug-related issues. This, of course, also deals with economics regarding rich versus poor, but crack, what poor blacks were utilizing and distributing, was still treated with more severity than pure cocaine.

Regarding the effects of poor black America stemming from past events, it is true that many blacks need to take personal responsibility regarding familial and financial aspects. However, the rampant lack of education in poorer black communities (often engulfed in many gang-related and drug-related issues) further perpetuates this reality.

I appreciate the video, but this man has done absolutely nothing to "destroy" the concept of white privilege in America. I respect his viewpoint, but the title of the video is completely off.


And again, "white privilege" has NOTHING to do with racism, nor does it mean that you should feel ASHAMED of your race.

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Off Topic / Re: Black Lives Matter hi-jacks orlando shooting morning ceremony.

« on: June 30, 2016, 09:21:09 PM »

That point can be argued for a very long time, but what you did was see a thing you didn't like then almost instinctively shot over to drama to complain about it

Is the Drama section suddenly not for addressing complaints or...?

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Drama / Re: Tenzuni: self-proclaimed tribal

« on: June 30, 2016, 09:15:08 PM »

this video is tribal

It definitely is not.

White privilege is simply the ingrained differences in the way Caucasians can live in society as compared to a person of color.

It has nothing to do, and I repeat, NOTHING to do with having to feel guilty or ashamed of being your race; there's no REASON to be ashamed of it. The ONLY reason people bring it up is because it is important to REALIZE how different your life is from a colored person, given how human races have progressed through history.




This does NOT mean white people cannot have it hard in life; it definitely does not. But sadly, your skin color in society DOES change some things, such as:

• Your skin color does not work against you in terms of how people perceive your financial responsibility, style of dress, public speaking skills, or job performance.

-A black man in urban wear (Don't immediately relate this to sagging) is perceived much differently than a white man in urban wear, often as "thuggish" or more uneducated.

-People are not nearly as blatantly surprised when a white man can articulate well than when a person of color does.

-People do not doubt the validity of white people when they claim to live in wealthier neighborhoods, drive nicer cars, or just own higher quality items. There was a video in which a black man was followed to his house (that he was selling) by a white police officer who did not believe that he could live in a $300,000 house in a decently wealthy neighborhood.

• People do not assume that you got where you are professionally because of your race (or because of affirmative action programs).

-This is very common. People assume not only that a person of color who is accepted into a school/job program with the same credentials as a white person was accepted solely due to race, but many whites feel as if they are, by default, superior than that person in some quality that was *obviously* overlooked when the position was given to the person of color over them.

For instance, the girl that sued the Ivy Leagues because she felt that minority students were being unfairly accepted over her, when she KNEW that she did not have the grades to get into the school anyway.

 
• Store security personnel or law enforcement officers do not harass you, pull you over, or follow you because of your race.

-This is pretty self-explanatory. Of course, there are no "stats" to back this up because it is not humanly possible to reach inside every officer's brain to see if they are discriminating against some people more than others. But judging from the rate of incarceration and the amount of times blacks are stopped for seemingly no reason, it is fair to say that this is an issue.


If you truly want to know what people mean by "white privilege," read above, and do some research yourself. If you're going to talk about the length of the post, then there was no hope in explaining it, anyway.

Again, this is not about being ashamed; you should be glad to have these upper-hands in society without even asking, or wanting, them. I can guarantee you that most black people are likely not perturbed at the fact that you have these "privileges," but that you fail to REALIZE it and how it affects you in society, is all.

And before someone says it, of COURSE there are situations that don't apply to these scenarios AT ALL. There are many blacks who discriminate unfairly against whites, as well as other races doing the same towards whites. This is simply speaking from an objective perspective in modern-day America.

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Drama / Re: Tenzuni: self-proclaimed tribal

« on: June 30, 2016, 07:17:54 PM »

white privilege isnt as simple as getting stuff handed to you on a platter, or having a considerably easier time than others in becoming successful. the definition tumblr gives white privilege is far from the definition academia gives it, and also considerably more extreme in their claims of what the privilege gets them.

this topic shows why you should never argue politics or controversy on the internet. no matter how right you think you are someone else will just call you straight up handicapped.

Thank you.

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Off Topic / Re: Black Lives Matter hi-jacks orlando shooting morning ceremony.

« on: June 30, 2016, 06:39:31 PM »

I refuse to read the long posts telling me i should sympathize with jitank

the dude really is an ignorant monday. Like if anything this thread has made me more tribal

It had nothing to do with sympathizing for jitank's viewpoint on BLM (mainly because others in the thread demonstrated my own viewpoint quite nicely, like SeventhSandwich), but rather the mob-like attitude taken towards him when he was obviously at a disadvantage. Don't associate my views with his views.

his posts in this thread seem to be a mile wide and an inch deep. they have no real substance but he is attempting to appear as the better man by saying as much as possible about as little as possible

I've made three posts with substance in them, and only in the past two pages. It is easy to dismiss someone's opinion when you don't attempt to understand it, and I cannot force you to want to.

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Off Topic / Re: Black Lives Matter hi-jacks orlando shooting morning ceremony.

« on: June 30, 2016, 06:23:40 PM »

Writing giant paragraphs, calling your audience out and telling them why they've been richardheads (in nice words, but the meaning is the same) is not going to convince anybody of anything if you're actually serious about wanting to inspire deep change in people; it's just going to start a nice big argument and nobody is going to "fix" their opinion at all.

You should consider appealing to the audience, rather than scolding them as you did, because you came off as a pretentious and annoying forget-knuckle, and I wouldn't want to support or agree with anybody who speaks like that. Keep It Simple Stupid, Think Before You Speak and Show Don't Tell.

I'd much rather write a paragraph of real information than spreading my thoughts out in several sentences throughout the thread (Of which, as you said, will die eventually), you know? This isn't an organized sounding board where people can fairly share their opinions; it is, at the end of the day, a forum.

I fully agree with you in that people do not enjoy being scolded as a means of trying to change their mind; it's similar to the effect that yelling at or insulting someone would have, in real life.

With any audience, however, you can only truly appeal to the side that supports your viewpoint. To the opposing side, you can (as I did) respect their opinion, yet still disagree in a kind way. That is the most you can do in that situation.

From the process of this thread, though, and your first response, it is clear that many of those participating in this thread are not taking the subject matter seriously (It's the BLF, as you said.), so for me to act as if I would be treated with the same respect that I (still) gave to others would be naive of me. Even with you, telling me to get my head out of my ass and to stop being an annoying forgettard, at first-- with that level of respect given from you, this debate could not have progressed positively from the get-go.


I really do respect your viewpoint, however it may seem; I am just presenting to you what I believe and have experienced from my own life thus far. There are, of course, no hard feelings surrounding any of this.

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Off Topic / Re: Black Lives Matter hi-jacks orlando shooting morning ceremony.

« on: June 30, 2016, 06:07:50 PM »

Ah-huh, good luck with that, mate.

Appreciate it, man. Thanks.

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Off Topic / Re: Black Lives Matter hi-jacks orlando shooting morning ceremony.

« on: June 30, 2016, 06:03:09 PM »

This isn't the loving BLM Forums, you cunt. Nobody here has any power to actually change anything, and I really doubt anybody cares that much about these issues to want to go into giant paragraphs of debate given that very few people tried to bring the serious discussion back. I just want Tony to post more so I can cheer him on for once.

Everybody was against Jitank because he was being a massive Tumblr-sourced Drama Queen, and it was loving annoying. He derailed any possible good quality discussion to start claiming that white people are evil or some stuff. Telling people that they're acting like cunts is infinitely more interesting than social issues or history.
Oh my sweet loving jesus, are you trying to play the "I'm more educated than you so only I'm allowed to speak about it" pretentiousness card? Holy forget, get out of this thread and get your head out of your arse, mate.

You are not the be all and end all. Your points of debate will be completely irrelevant the minute this thread goes dead. I also like how, looking through your post history, there's quite a lot in slavery topics but not much else. Nice. One-track mind, I like it.

I'm quite confused at your last statement, considering I haven't posted anything on the BLF since June 18th, 2015. Please, point these out for me.


This is not the BLM forums; I am fully aware of that; however, this thread is centered around a BLM protester's actions and the movement in general. Move to a different thread if you dislike talking about it. Simple.

Jitank had obviously gotten tired of attempting to speak his mind to a group of people whose goal only was to ignore his point and tear at his lackluster presentation of his points, so he stopped trying to get his point across at all. What I'm saying is, he may not have been accurate with everything he said, but it is too easy to jump on one person when SO MANY others are making beautiful points of discussion. You have to choose what is worth arguing over.

Not once did I, myself, come off as trying to sound better than anyone else; I DID however, say that many posters, such as the ones mentioned, were coming across as more well educated on this subject than posters such as yourself. That, I did suggest.



Your post brings up a large issue in itself: The concept that "nothing people do can change anything, so why try?"

I personally don't mind if people's minds are changed on the issue or not; I was presenting my viewpoint. However, if even one mind was changed, or enlightened, on the issue, then some change has occurred. I don't need to be on national television preaching about these topics to have an effect on people.

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Off Topic / Re: Black Lives Matter hi-jacks orlando shooting morning ceremony.

« on: June 30, 2016, 05:36:47 PM »

Lord Tony, no hard feelings, but how asinine of a mindset is it to believe that Africans should, in any way, be GRATEFUL for the colonization of their continent by Europeans and other nations? You're failing to realize that if it never happened, the ENTIRE course of history would be altered; you cannot look at the state many impoverished countries in Africa are, now, and somehow equate that to how it would be if everything preceding its current state did not occur. That should be common knowledge.



To Tezuni, it is completely understandable how your perception of blacks could have been swayed by your little experienced with them firsthand as well as simply looking at statistics and what the media portrays. I place no blame on you for that. However, you must be a bit more compassionate, and intelligent, in how you get your points across to other people; for example, do not claim scientific knowledge on a subject in which you are not educated on, such as violent crime somehow being immersed in black DNA.

This is a basic fact of any debate. Again, I don't blame you for how you've thought of things in the past, but it's time to step up a bit, you know? Thank you for your apology however, that was very kind of you to do.




Overall, I love how there were so many EXTREMELY elegant points made by posters such as SeventhSandwich, WaterOre, F-22 Raptor, and several others here and there, but instead of actually reading the thread and taking their wise words into account, 5-6 people simply hopped on the "Poke holes in Jitank's argument!" train and completely nullified any hope for their actual understanding of the issue at hand. Seriously, grow up.

There is irrefutable evidence that there are long-lasting effects of not only slavery, but racial segregation and oppression in America. I honestly cannot see how someone could think that things are in any way "equal" regarding racial equality in America if the topic were given any real thought. Yes, on the surface, and to someone who does not experience what others experience, it is easy to say "Oh, well by law, blacks have the same rights as whites, so we're equal!" By law, that is true, but you must open your mind and think with a slight bit of compassion and understanding regarding the fact that racial equality is not as black and white as we'd all like to see it (Black/White in a metaphorical sense; not referring to race).

As SeventhSandwich brilliantly brought up, for example, the War on Drugs has caused the unnecessary and disproportionate mass incarceration of poor blacks when compared to their rich white counterparts who, also involved in drugs, were not nearly as severely punished for their actions. This is something that still affects America today, for one.



Instead of simply dismissing any sensible voice in the thread and focusing on an easy target (Not saying Jitank is an easy target in what he was trying to get across, but in that it is too easy for a group of 5-6 people to tear at his words.), try to actually LISTEN to the voices of not only those who experience the long-lasting effects of these issues on a daily basis, but of those who are obviously well-educated enough to speak on the matter.


I appreciate anyone who takes the time to read through my thoughts on the subject.

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Off Topic / Re: i spoke at my high school graduation

« on: June 18, 2015, 05:50:23 PM »

You did a great job, man. Seriously. It was humorous yet meaningful, while also being short and sweet. That's the type of speech that people will remember long after graduation ends; especially with the advice you gave them, to just relax and make an effort to be happy in life.

I thoroughly enjoyed hearing it.

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Gallery / Re: Blockland Vs Roblox

« on: June 17, 2015, 01:05:53 PM »

please don't promote the cyber war of roblox and blockland

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Gallery / Re: Cohort Team Laboratories [Eole Mining Village]

« on: May 24, 2015, 12:33:53 AM »

Sylv this screenshot
makes me look fat.

faty.

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Gallery / Re: High-Class KFC [No mondays Allowed!][IMAGE HEAVY]

« on: February 22, 2015, 08:30:11 PM »

Dude this is awesome, lol.
10/10/10/10

giving Dennis Rodman's Pal a job