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how would everyone make their money?
adding on: to buy the things that keeps our economy going. The thing that motivates us to extract resources and make stuff to sell and buy.

What if they didn't need to make money?
Sounds like the unachievable version of Picard's utopia.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2014, 12:15:26 PM by Harm94 »

What if they didn't need to make money?
Are you actually asking this question? If we didn't have money our economy wouldn't work. To make the robots that take over our jobs we would need money and when we did have them take over our jobs we don't get money, thus making it so we can't have robots that take over our jobs because we don't have money. It's a Catch 22.

yet again, i'm baffled by how much of a hard-on everyone has for the limits of current technology. Same goes for the "we'll never be able to figure out how to build a brain!" stuff. Your example of the man and the car is so strawman it hurts. We're not talking about some doofus with some random medical books and a PET scanner, we're talking about the entire field of neuroscience (to a certain degree.)why wouldn't you want to let robots take all the jobs?

I never said it was unachievable, I was just stating our current situation. And the current situation is simply that we don't have enough knowledge on how the brain works at the moment to build anything close to a human-like AI. I'm not trying to predict the future at all because it makes no sense to try to do that.

Also, about the jobs thing? Take an economy class and get back to me later please. :/

Also, about the jobs thing? Take an economy class and get back to me later please. :/
What I was trying to hint at is that the "AI/robot revolution" would drastically reduce the scarcity of resources, therefore putting us in a sort of post-economic state.

Or as Harm put it:
...the unachievable version of Picard's utopia.

What I was trying to hint at is that the "AI/robot revolution" would drastically reduce the scarcity of resources, therefore putting us in a sort of post-economic state.

Or as Harm put it:
Still... That's unrealistic. Without work, people will either a) use their free time normally, b) become incredibly lazy, or c) slowly lose it and become a criminal. However, with this whole "revolution" thing, a large increase in option c would probably be observed. Not to mention that since, sadly, our world (and this, our government) practically runs on money, I think there'd be a state of anarchy if money became obsolete. Most political figures would lose their reason to be in office - money. The few that remained because they actually care would find it pretty hard to hold everything together. There are many other problems with a society lacking in currency, but I'll stop there for now.

But who will manage the robots? We cant put a robot in charge of robots we know how that works out.
If robots will be capable of thinking and research, I think they'll be able to manage themselves
Otherwise it'll be humans

First of all, gotta love how half of you are predicting the future and acting like what you're saying is a sure thing. Second of all, artificial intelligence is permanently stuck behind the human brain at the moment due to several reasons; here's one of them, for example. Speed. Currently, none of the computer chips and storage option currently in production are close to being as fast as the human brain. This is one of the biggest factors contributing to a successful AI, especially one in the field. It needs a reasonable reaction time. Until we figure out how to easily manufacture graphene or something with similar properties, we'll most likely be stuck behind humans in terms of speed. Sure, we're still getting faster, but there's a limit to how fast we can get with our current tech.

Here's another reason. We cannot replicate what we do not understand. Example: someone gives you metal, various other materials, and professional grade tools. You have recieved no training of any sort, and you don't even know what a car is. However, you're shown a diagram of a car cutaway, given a chance to drive it, and even look at some of its workings up close. And then you're told to replicate it.

Now how do you think that's gonna turn out? Even if you were a genius, the probability that you'd be able to figure out how to replicate that car is incredibly small. How do you expect that we can do just that with the human brain, which is thousands of times more complex? By now, we've made quite a few breakthroughs in how the brain works, I know. But there's still an incredible amount that we don't know about. Therefore, I say cut the speculation and let what happens happen.

Oh, and one very important point. If everyone is so worried about robots taking our jobs, don't you think that they'll make it pretty difficult to do that? After all, it'd be pretty hard fighting a point like that against most of the workforce, which, mind you, is gigantic.
I understand these reasons. Everything I say is operating on the assumption that our speed of computing and understanding of the brain are much more advanced than now. The only thing stopping us from increasing our speed forever is the laws of the universe/physics, so it'll be interesting to see what happens then.

Just to groove that a classical computer AI will never be able to reach human level intelligence, is because it cannot do anything it was programmed to do, when the brain in turn can find things to do when faced with an unknown situation.

Also i would quote this entire thread and say that computers would not be capable of a discussion like this.
There you go.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Everything is inherently emulatable. Anything can be emulated once you hit the level where processing power is good enough to emulate subatomic particles.
Hopefully we won't even have to emulate subatomic particles, but we'll have a more abstract understanding of the human brain from which to emulate it. (For example, you could emulate all the neurons and chemical processes and their effects in the brain. The only limit of this is our understanding of the brain.)

Still... That's unrealistic. Without work, people will either a) use their free time normally, b) become incredibly lazy, or c) slowly lose it and become a criminal. However, with this whole "revolution" thing, a large increase in option c would probably be observed. Not to mention that since, sadly, our world (and this, our government) practically runs on money, I think there'd be a state of anarchy if money became obsolete. Most political figures would lose their reason to be in office - money. The few that remained because they actually care would find it pretty hard to hold everything together. There are many other problems with a society lacking in currency, but I'll stop there for now.
The end of money isn't going to happen overnight. If what I (and others on this topic) say eventually happens, we will have to transition to some new system.

I understand these reasons. Everything I say is operating on the assumption that our speed of computing and understanding of the brain are much more advanced than now. The only thing stopping us from increasing our speed forever is the laws of the universe/physics, so it'll be interesting to see what happens then.
You have no idea what you're talking about.Hopefully we won't even have to emulate subatomic particles, but we'll have a more abstract understanding of the human brain from which to emulate it. (For example, you could emulate all the neurons and chemical processes and their effects in the brain. The only limit of this is our understanding of the brain.)
The end of money isn't going to happen overnight. If what I (and others on this topic) say eventually happens, we will have to transition to some new system.
Currency is one of the fundamentals of a large society. I won't say it's impossible, but it's highly unlikely that a developed civilization such as ours today would last in a sane state without it.

You don't even need thinking robots for a society with robot workers. You can leave all manual labor to robots and all thinking/creativity to humans. No one gets bored, everyone does whatever job they want to do.

We don't need thinking robots, but given that they cost less, they will come.