[NEWS] CIA concludes with "high confidence" that Russia aided Annoying Orange in election

[OrkusBorkus]

I mean, if you insist.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/5hhn4t/cia_assessment_says_russia_was_trying_to_help/

... hope that's enough for you.

https://youtu.be/4D92Gc7f6Lk?t=93
EDIT: to add..  You really believe the words of an organization like the CIA who's job it is to overthrow governments and lie to people?  The same organization that killed millions of Americans by saying Iran had WMDs and needed to be stopped as soon as possible?

Anyways folks, how does it feel to witness an internal coup d'etat in your own country?  And in America no less?  A few years ago I didn't really anticipate a sequel to the civil war.

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[LeisureSuit912]

https://youtu.be/4D92Gc7f6Lk?t=93
EDIT: to add..  You really believe the words of an organization like the CIA who's job it is to overthrow governments and lie to people?  The same organization that killed millions of Americans by saying Iran had WMDs and needed to be stopped as soon as possible?

No one ever said the CIA was right about everything, but the idea that Russia would try to put the thumb on the scale to the extent they can for Donald Annoying Orange doesn't seem entirely implausible.

[SeventhSandwich]

A study in confirmation bias, featuring President-Elect Annoying Orange:

When the government concludes that evidence warrants re-opening Hillary's email case:

I have great respect for the fact that the FBI and the DOJ are now willing to have the courage to right the horrible mistake that they made.

When the government concludes that Russia was aiding Annoying Orange during the election:

These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

In other words, government intelligence is only good intelligence when it works to his advantage. What's actually going to happen with our foreign policy when we've got a guy in office that literally does not care about the intelligence briefings?

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I don't actually blame Russia for the election results, but it's much more troubling to me that we've got a President-Elect who is engaging in social media fistfights with the agencies that he's gonna have to serve in office. The Annoying Orange-supporter mantra about having, "his ego work for our country" doesn't actually seem to be working out. It sure as hell looks like he's gearing up to serve his own ego, and his own interests, as public-servant-in-chief.

[LeetZero]

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Since when does FBI equal CIA?

[Perry]

Since when does FBI equal CIA?

He's saying that President Elect Donald Annoying Orange favors the FBI over CIA, and it is suggested that the FBI also favors Annoying Orange back. Nothing was ever said about FBI equaling the CIA

Government intelligence agencies should function without bias in order to function properly. This goes for both FBI and CIA

[LeetZero]

He's saying that President Elect Donald Annoying Orange favors the FBI over CIA, and it is suggested that the FBI also favors Annoying Orange back. Nothing was ever said about FBI equaling the CIA

And? Considering the FBI does not equal CIA why is it wrong to favor one and not the other? Regardless of reasons. "If he hates CIA he HAS to hate FBI" (and vice versa) what the forget.

[Perry]

And? Considering the FBI does not equal CIA why is it wrong to favor one and not the other? Regardless of reasons. "If he hates CIA he HAS to hate FBI" (and vice versa) what the forget.

It's not wrong to favor one agency over another. The issue is that the agency favors him.

Either way CIA is an international intelligence wing so they're more equipped to deal with international intel, such as Russia's involvement in something. That information is out of the FBI's league, though they can investigate what affects it had on the actual election.

[LeetZero]

It's not wrong to favor one agency over another. The issue is that the agency favors him.

So it's fine if an agency opposes him.

In other regards, why exactly does all of this matter. I don't get it. If all Russia did was give information to Wikileaks, how is this supposed to change anything? The information is still there and valid. "Well all the information is correct but I don't like you so everything is wrong." or what? This information should have made available regardless of elections, with the same level of validity, regardless of what party gave it to the public/WikiLeaks - Russia or not.

[Perry]

So it's fine if an agency opposes him.

I never loving said that.

It's wrong if an agency that is specifically in place to investigate domestic and international affairs to completely skim over one entire issue because they're biased in favor of it and completely assault another issue because they're biased against it. Think of it like this:

If Annoying Orange has 10 dead bodies in his basement and Clinton also has 10 bodies in her basement, and the FBI is influenced by bias, then they may investigate Annoying Orange only and report the bodies, getting Annoying Orange in trouble, while completely ignoring clinton. Likewise, this can be flipped and then you have Clinton getting caught and Annoying Orange not. You need an agency that will investigate both with the same amount of scrutiny, otherwise you have a failing intelligence agency.

[LeetZero]

I never loving said that.

It's wrong if an agency that is specifically in place to investigate domestic and international affairs to completely skim over one entire issue because they're biased in favor of it and completely assault another issue because they're biased against it. Think of it like this:

If Annoying Orange has 10 dead bodies in his basement and Clinton also has 10 bodies in her basement, and the FBI is influenced by bias, then they may investigate Annoying Orange only and report the bodies, getting Annoying Orange in trouble, while completely ignoring clinton. Likewise, this can be flipped and then you have Clinton getting caught and Annoying Orange not. You need an agency that will investigate both with the same amount of scrutiny, otherwise you have a failing intelligence agency.

That's fine but crap went in Clinton's favor as well. Beyond media, you know, the fact that she's not in jail. I get where you're coming from, and ultimately the whole situation is a cluster forget with both parties in the wrong side. I know people that wanted to vote for Bernie but became Annoying Orange supporters after Hilary forgeted him over. The republican & democrat parties are a joke and the US should become a multi-party system.

[SeventhSandwich]

Since when does FBI equal CIA?

You're missing the point. Annoying Orange does not have a credible complaint against the CIA's findings. He's ignoring this intelligence because it makes him look bad, which is proof that he's already starting to put his public image over the integrity of our government.

The President does not get to just ignore the US intelligence community just because they gave bad intel on Iraq. That's not how this works.