Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

[Mateo]

I'm pretty sure that matter didn't materialize into a dinosaur, regardless of what probability claims.

THAT is where evolution comes into play.

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[Inv3rted]

I'm assuming you didn't watch the video. You dismiss the pure scientific work of professionals because you have a deep hatred of the scientific method. You claim to uphold it, but you really cut it down wherever you can. People more qualified than you are inferior because they have shown the existence of something you assume to be false. And you assume this to be false because you are afraid of questioning.

You say that you've properly exposed yourself to both sides, and yet you refuse to accept what has been observed.

Bringing up 'ad hominem' is just pure hypocrisy. You've insulted everyone who disagrees with you in every post here.

Also, you seem to have forgotten that mutations are what create genes. Natural selection selects them.

[Visage]

Everyone religious always wants "proof" about evolution, if they are so hungry for proof how did they end up believing in a religion that has no proof? I always just accept the theory with the most evidence and the most support. Basically the argument always goes.

1. Someone says "IM NOT FROM A MONKEY WHEREZ PROOF?"
2. Someone explains to them about all the things we know that supports evolution.
3. The guy says "WTF I DIDNT SEE MYSELF TURN INTO A MONKEY SO I DONT BELIEVE IT."
4. Someone points out that there is no support to the bible.
5. The guy says "HUR DUR IT IS THE BIBLE EVERYTHING IS FACT"
6. The cycle continues.

[Vulgus]

A story in the bible was about God smiting a village of "Different" people, and two people came along. He told them to look away because it was the "Devil" or something, so the guy looked away but the other person looked so he burned them to death.

Another story is the story of Jobe. Satan told god they only like you, god, because you give them so much. To disprove satan, God ruined "Jobe's" life by killing his family and burning his farm and houses. Jobe, ironnically, still liked him.

Also, the story of Pandora's box says a women was given this box to keep safe, but she wanted to peek inside so she did and released death and sadness and all the bad things. The moral it stated, was that women couldnt be trusted


Wow, I didnt realise that God hated people that are different, people who believe him, and women.

[Metal Axe On Fire]

The problem is that you obviously don't understand the big bang theory nor evolution. Modern science is just science. The scientific method hasn't changed for more than 2000 years.

What you want when you say "proof" is not just heaps of evidence but something that is physically impossible in the universe.

Everything from the cosmic background radiation to the expansion rate of the Universe with the Hubble constant show that it was most likely once a singularity. Is it possible that it wasn't? Yes. Is it likely with the currently evidence? Extremely not so.

What exactly have I said about evolution or the big bang that isn't true (Really, if there is something that was wrong feel free to point it out)? I've actually said next to nothing about either so it would be impossible for you to know how well I understand them unless you are judging only by the fact that I don't agree with them.

Changing the subject to evolution in the literal sense I have a good question to get you thinking. Take an eye for example. An eye has many components, the lens, retina, iris, etc. Without all of those parts it just simply doesn't work. How then did an eye evolve? Having only one or some of the parts would serve no purpose. It's one thing to say that a lizard that swims well will stay alive so eventually all lizards will be able to swim well because the non-swimmers die out. There is no advantage gained by part or parts of an eye. Only the whole thing.

One other thing I'd like to touch on before I'm done. With intelligent design and evolution you are still ultimately left with the question "Where did that come from?" My problem with the whole evolution deal is that you not only start with this question, but then you have to believe that everything happened in this entire universe by pure chance. It turns into a "monkeys with typewriters" belief that all of the "time" that's passed makes up for the near impossible odds. It's just a little much for me.

But that's pretty much where I stop. There's way too much to cover in a Blockland Forum topic for both sides of the argument. One last thing I'd like to point out though is that you'll notice I never said evolution (and/or the related theories) was impossible or that Christianity was impossible. In fact, I never really clearly defined what I believed.

[A.R.C.]

i dont believe in evolution

You're black, you haven't evolved yet.

[SupremeCommander]

A story in the bible was about God smiting a village of "Different" people, and two people came along. He told them to look away because it was the "Devil" or something, so the guy looked away but the other person looked so he burned them to death.

Another story is the story of Jobe. Satan told god they only like you, god, because you give them so much. To disprove satan, God ruined "Jobe's" life by killing his family and burning his farm and houses. Jobe, ironnically, still liked him.

Also, the story of Pandora's box says a women was given this box to keep safe, but she wanted to peek inside so she did and released death and sadness and all the bad things. The moral it stated, was that women couldnt be trusted


Wow, I didnt realise that God hated people that are different, people who believe him, and women.

Long established that the Bible is as weird as forget, and likely written by people over time, distorting any memory of what-once-was.
It's like Wikipedia, but every edit is an edition.

[Duckmeister]

This is correct. Nature decides which genes are better due to the fact that those without "good" genes will die. Though, small mutations are what make some creatures better at survival than others.

Mutations isn't the word.  Mutations are genetic anomalies in offspring that have never, ever been shown to be beneficial.

Simple DNA transfer from parent to offspring is not a mutation.  There are no added genes involved.  Therefore, your metaphor is still invalid.

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Are you kidding me?  What part of

"we didn't observe and we can't test this, but this is what we theorize happened, and because we ignore all of the other alternatives we say that our theory is fact"

is the scientific method?  Are you insane?

Everyone religious always wants "proof" about evolution, if they are so hungry for proof how did they end up believing in a religion that has no proof? I always just accept the theory with the most evidence and the most support. Basically the argument always goes.

1. Someone says "IM NOT FROM A MONKEY WHEREZ PROOF?"
2. Someone explains to them about all the things we know that supports evolution.
3. The guy says "WTF I DIDNT SEE MYSELF TURN INTO A MONKEY SO I DONT BELIEVE IT."
4. Someone points out that there is no support to the bible.
5. The guy says "HUR DUR IT IS THE BIBLE EVERYTHING IS FACT"
6. The cycle continues.

Let's try this again.

1. Someone says "IM NOT FROM GOD WHEREZ PROOF?"
2. Someone explains to them about all the things we know that supports creation.
3. The guy says "WTF I DIDNT SEE GOD OR SEE MYSELF COME FROM HIM SO I DONT BELIEVE IT."
4. Someone points out that there is no support to the evolution.
5. The guy says "HUR DUR IT IS WHAT ALL THE COOL SCIENTISTS SAY EVERYTHING IS FACT"
6. The cycle continues.

A story in the bible was about God smiting a village of "Different" people, and two people came along. He told them to look away because it was the "Devil" or something, so the guy looked away but the other person looked so he burned them to death.

Another story is the story of Jobe. Satan told god they only like you, god, because you give them so much. To disprove satan, God ruined "Jobe's" life by killing his family and burning his farm and houses. Jobe, ironnically, still liked him.

Also, the story of Pandora's box says a women was given this box to keep safe, but she wanted to peek inside so she did and released death and sadness and all the bad things. The moral it stated, was that women couldnt be trusted


Wow, I didnt realise that God hated people that are different, people who believe him, and women.

The first and third stories aren't even in the Bible, and the second story is so heavily distorted by you that I can't say it's from the Bible either.  How ignorant.

[SupremeCommander]

Everyone religious always wants "proof" about evolution, if they are so hungry for proof how did they end up believing in a religion that has no proof? I always just accept the theory with the most evidence and the most support. Basically the argument always goes.

1. Someone says "IM NOT FROM A MONKEY WHEREZ PROOF?"
2. Someone explains to them about all the things we know that supports evolution.
3. The guy says "WTF I DIDNT SEE MYSELF TURN INTO A MONKEY SO I DONT BELIEVE IT."
4. Someone points out that there is no support to the bible.
5. The guy says "HUR DUR IT IS THE BIBLE EVERYTHING IS FACT"
6. The cycle continues.

Let's try this again.

1. Someone says "IM NOT FROM GOD WHEREZ PROOF?"
2. Someone explains to them about all the things we know that supports creation.
3. The guy says "WTF I DIDNT SEE GOD OR SEE MYSELF COME FROM HIM SO I DONT BELIEVE IT."
4. Someone points out that there is no support to the evolution.
5. The guy says "HUR DUR IT IS WHAT ALL THE COOL SCIENTISTS SAY EVERYTHING IS FACT"
6. The cycle continues.

Combining the two:

Person 1: You're wrong!
Person 2: NO! You're wrong!
Repeat.

[Nymethus]

How the forget does someone care enough to write all this stuff

ugh

[Visage]

Let's try this again.

1. Someone says "IM NOT FROM GOD WHEREZ PROOF?"
2. Someone explains to them about all the things we know that supports creation.
3. The guy says "WTF I DIDNT SEE GOD OR SEE MYSELF COME FROM HIM SO I DONT BELIEVE IT."
4. Someone points out that there is no support to the evolution.
5. The guy says "HUR DUR IT IS WHAT ALL THE COOL SCIENTISTS SAY EVERYTHING IS FACT"
6. The cycle continues.

Lol, also I don't see how there is no support to evolution, it is fact that there are genetic mutations in people that can be passed down through generations, vestigial bones, common DNA, there is SO much evidence of evolution it is pretty obvious anyone who does not believe in it clearly just doesn't want to with a passion.

[SupremeCommander]

How the forget does someone care enough to write all this stuff

ugh

Proof you can't give someone a thrashing over the internet. :/

[Mateo]

Mutations isn't the word.  Mutations are genetic anomalies in offspring that have never, ever been shown to be beneficial.

Simple DNA transfer from parent to offspring is not a mutation.  There are no added genes involved.  Therefore, your metaphor is still invalid.

Mutation: The act or process of being altered or changed.

That has nothing to do with being "beneficial." A mutation is a change in DNA.

[Vulgus]

I have absolutely no Proof of god's exsistence.

Ever.

So to at least put up a fair argument actually say something that actually goes to show he could be real. Rather then just making up some reason to disprove everyone

[Vulgus]

1. Someone says "IM NOT FROM GOD WHEREZ PROOF?"
2. Someone explains to them about all the things we know that supports creation.
3. The guy says "WTF I DIDNT SEE GOD OR SEE MYSELF COME FROM HIM SO I DONT BELIEVE IT."
4. Someone points out that there is no support to the evolution.
5. The guy says "HUR DUR IT IS WHAT ALL THE COOL SCIENTISTS SAY EVERYTHING IS FACT"
6. The cycle continues.
That sounds like something you just made up to counter the fact that the original statement made sense