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But the GTX 480 isn't out yet, right? So the HD5870 is my best bet if I were buying right now?

I'm still a bit apprehensive about buying ATI over nVidia, I've always had nVidia except that one time I accidentally bought an integrated intel graphics chip (Oop!)

The GTX480 is worth more per dollar...

~28% increase in performance and a 20-25% increase in price.

Oh, the GTX 480 is out? The only option on the website was to pre-order it for some reason.

Oh, the GTX 480 is out? The only option on the website was to pre-order it for some reason.

That's because prebuilt manufacturers don't have them yet and they sell out in minutes on their own. You should get the 5870, but I'm just saying that the 480 is better.

It's not gonna be available for your computer for a while so it's not worth the wait.

The GTX 480 will out preform the 5870. That's not to say to 5870 will do poorly. They are both very good graphics processors.

PhysX is a load of bull and games have just started utilizing DX10 features more commonly. It will be several years before TESSELLATION or whatever the hell Nvidia is throwing out there as the benefit of their DX11 card over ATI's will be seen enough to care.

This.

Stick with the 5870.

Sure, it will perform better, but it's not worth the cost, or the wait.  That 28% that Inv3rted keeps throwing out doesn't apply to every game.  Any other benefits are negligible.

I don't think that Nvidia's card had more DX11 features than the ATI cards.  From I've read, DX11 is DX11, they both support it fully.  I haven't researched the 400 series that much, so I very well could be mistaken.

That 28% that Inv3rted keeps throwing out doesn't apply to every game.  Any other benefits are negligible.

It's an average so obviously it doesn't apply to everything...

This.

Stick with the 5870.

Sure, it will perform better, but it's not worth the cost, or the wait.  That 28% that Inv3rted keeps throwing out doesn't apply to every game.  Any other benefits are negligible.

I don't think that Nvidia's card had more DX11 features than the ATI cards.  From I've read, DX11 is DX11, they both support it fully.  I haven't researched the 400 series that much, so I very well could be mistaken.
The big thing is that Nvidia's cards preformed better at processing the DX11 effects in tests than ATI's did.

The GTX480 is worth more per dollar...

~28% increase in performance and a 20-25% increase in price.

That doesn't appear to be accurate. I'd like to see where you are getting these figures from.

At the very least it is a fools game to be mentioning price when GTX400's aren't even in stock for more than a few minutes.

For instance, lets look at this graph of HD5870 pricing over the entire time it has been available....


(Source: http://www.h-online.com/priceinsight/?phist=465504&age=2000)

Notice how prices start at the MSRP that ATI specified but quickly climbed to a peak about 2 months later. This was due to high demand and low supply. Die hard enthusiasts and scalpers will purchase the cards at any price keeping stocks low. Around January/February supplies become readily available and the price drops dramatically. This is a cycle that has happened every time a new high-end card(s) is released.

Note that the newly released GTX400's are at the very beginning of their "life cycle" and as such prices still generally reflect MSRP. This will quickly increase (often times the increase is about $50-$100USD) whilst stocks remain almost non-existant. So what is my point? My point is that the current MSRP prices that you see listed on sites is no where near the price that regular consumers are going to be able to purchase the card in a few months. As such, basing price/performance ratios of their present prices is incredibly inaccurate.

As for the statement that purchasing a GTX400 series card will "last longer", that too is dubious at best. How long a card remains acceptable is entirely up to the end user. Few games, if any, are attempting to push the envelope in terms of graphical fidelity and existing titles are easily played on mid-range cards even at relatively high resolutions. Granted some titles require a little extra "grunt" to achieve the maximum settings combined with heavy anti-aliasing at high resolutions but this is for the realm of the hardware enthusiast and not the occasional 'gamer' or average consumer.

As indicated in [H]'s review of the two GTX400 cards, the best value for money in the high-end market segment remains the HD5850/HD5830 and that is only considering the relative performance of the cards at their existing prices (not the actual inflated prices you will see shortly). When you add power consumption and heat production on top of that the choice becomes clear; ATI still has the best card for the smart consumer.

For the hardware enthusiast who demands the best performance at any cost, the GTX 480 is SLI is the most powerful setup you can use. This is not a system I'd recommend though.

The GTX480 retails at $500 before its inevitable price drop, while the 5870 retails at ~$420. The 480 performs noticeably better.

Regardless if the 28% increase is true, it will be a better buy when stocks are increased.

Ok, Haggled with the Dell guy and got him to reduce the price by £50 which I'm not gonna complain about, and reduced my memory from 9 to 6 because 9 is slightly overkill anyway. So now the prices are essentially the same so I'm thinking I'll just get this Dell finally.

That PC Sucks.

Get the Sony Oasis 3. Or was it Aurora.

Nah just screwing with you. That is a supercomputer the size of a few people.

I like the PC you are getting, there is a whole topic about this Hz crap or something like that and yours has 2.6666Hz or something, Thats a good thing as far as I know. Cooleo.

The GTX480 retails at $500 before its inevitable price drop, while the 5870 retails at ~$420. The 480 performs noticeably better.

Regardless if the 28% increase is true, it will be a better buy when stocks are increased.

I'm not sure you read my post correctly. The GTX 480 has an MSRP of $500. This will almost certainly increase $50 to $100 for the next few months until supply/demand meet up. Even if it were to be sufficiently available at $500, it still does not have any where near the performance increase to justify the additional $80-$100 cost.

Lets check out some performance comparisons...





It should be noted that [H]ardOCP doesn't use canned, pre-recorded benchmarks for testing and actually plays through a chosen level to gain real world performance statistics.

How about we check out a different site? Lets try Tom's hardware...







The results above leave a little more to talk about than the [H] benchmarks. Starting at the top, The GTX480 wins by a landslide in MW2. This advantage, whilst impressive, is rather pointless as you aren't going to see the benefits of 120FPS vs. 70 FPS. With Dirt 2 the GTX 480 eeks out a minor 5FPS without AA, and roughly 10 with AA. In Crysis, the HD5870 out does the 480 very slightly without AA, and only falls about 3FPS behind it with AA, both are unplayable at this resolution however. Stalker shows a similar situation in which the 5870 outperforms the 480 w/o AA but falls behind the 480 with AA enabled. Metro2033 is quite unique in that it brings a few special features to the DX11 table that quite simply crush any modern GPU. The GTX 480 isn't even playable with this enabled and is a no go for ATI GPUs. You'll note that in [H]'s review that feature was disabled and we see almost identical performance from the two GPUs.

The point still stands; in certain games with AA enabled the GTX480 pulls ahead by a small margin. This margin is far too insignificant to justify spending an extra $80-$150 on for the savvy purchaser. The 5870 is widely available in a variety of flavors at an acceptable price point and can play modern games at the highest settings with great performance. If you are in the market right now for a GPU and you don't demand the absolute "king" of performance, the HD5870 is the wisest choice. If you must have that extra smidgeon of performance, or really want Physx/CUDA, and don't mind spending $100's extra, and don't mind trawling the internet for hours and days at a time trying to find it in stock, and don't mind the enormous power consumption and heat production, then yes, by all means attempt to purchase a GTX480.

In 6 months time it may be a better buy. But then you'll have to consider whatever refresh ATI comes out with. In any case, Ephi is trying to buy a computer soon and the GTX480 is not the best choice right now.

... wiat, do those charts show that the GTX 295 is faster or am I understand them wrong?

... wiat, do those charts show that the GTX 295 is faster or am I understand them wrong?

The GTX 295 is a dual GPU card, the GTX 480 is a single GPU card.

The GTX 295 is a dual GPU card, the GTX 480 is a single GPU card.
I know this, but the GTX 295 was equal to a 5870 when the 5870 were released, as far as I remember.
And the 295 is of last generation.