Religious Stupidity

[Lalam24]

I agree.  The degrees we give something is a unit of measurement we implement.

However, something like, 1 object plus another being equal to 2, you cannot disprove.

Also, let's say you have a triangle.  No matter what unit of measurement you use, in proportion, it'll always allign with another form of measurement (if calculated correctly, obviously).

And then there's a>b>a.  This is a paradox, and is a prime example of how one works.  You cannot have a certain amount of something bigger than that of which is smaller.  Which is what the bible dictates in several formats.

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[Custard]

starting this topic was an idea comparable to shooting fireworks into a fireworks factory full of handicapped orphans. this will end up in many, many people getting angry, dumb comments, and it will last way too long.


ontopic: wow, really? ask again when you finish middle school. degrees are a measurement of angles, decided by people. this is like saying:  

Exactly.

[m1k3y4e7]

I agree.  The degrees we give something is a unit of measurement we implement.

However, something like, 1 object plus another being equal to 2, you cannot disprove.

Also, let's say you have a triangle.  No matter what unit of measurement you use, in proportion, it'll always allign with another form of measurement (if calculated correctly, obviously).

And then there's a>b>a.  This is a paradox, and is a prime example of how one works.  You cannot have a certain amount of something bigger than that of which is smaller.  Which is what the bible dictates in several formats.

I am not sure what you are talking about, but I would guess it is not speaking literally. the bible does that a lot.

[pixl]

Math is everything. God or no god. See that machine in front of you. It is run by pure metal and math. If you are looking at this you are proving math is loving true. If math didn't work you wouldn't exist, and your computer wouldn't work

[GunnaBoyEB]

Yes, the Bible does not speak literally a lot of the time. Which is a problem for a lot of people. People take everything in the Bible as literal meaning.

Also, there is a problem. There has yet to be a scientific disproving or proving of a higher power. You cannot prove a negative. It is impossible.

Science, math, etc... have all been wrong before. There are prophecies in the Bible that have come true, and they defy many of the scientific and mathematical laws. There are principles in the Bible that are very useful. Being kind to ones neighbor, respect your father and mother, do not commit adultery, do not murder etc.. are all principles, if everyone followed them, would make the world a better place.

Also it seems most of you here are people of logic. So take this logic into mind. You have the atheistic beliefs (belief that there is nothing after to sum it up) and then the Christian beliefs (the belief that if you accept Jesus as your savior, you go to Heaven) in this argument. Now, if you believe in Atheism, and you are wrong, you go to Hell(which by the way, you never get used to the flames, the pain is a burning of the spirit not of your physical body, so it is every lasting). If you are Atheist and you are right, you go no where. If you are Christian and  you are wrong, you go no where. If you are a Christian and you are right, you go to Heaven(which is a wonderful place where you are your spirit and nothing that can harm you exists).

And I can tell a lot of you are going to respond with: well what about this religion, we cannot believe in them all. Well, most religions that involve a higher power, were spawned from Christianity. So, you technically are believing in their god as well.

Lalam, you were right on the math part, I misunderstood your point.

Kalphiter, you cannot prove that there are 360degrees in a circle, like m1k3y4e7 said. It is a human decided thing. We could all of sudden decide that there was 361 degrees in a circle if we wanted to.

Yes m1k3y4e7, this topic is the equivalent of 2000 Atom bombs about to go off in the center of the earth. It will explode in our faces, but it is fun none the less. Unless of course, you get angry with these sort of debates.

Pixl, I would very well exist if math did not, considering math is a human created thing as well, but we use the proven (like Lalam said, the saying of one object and another object is two objects, but you can call it whatever you want).

If some of this was confusing to read, my apologies, I am very scattered brain. I can understand it my head, just explaining to others is a difficult task for me.

[pixl]

Math is part of everything. Gravity, light years, machinery, the human mind,  the human body. Math equations work and have proven so.

[GunnaBoyEB]

We just put a symbol to the proven. Math is a way to measure the things we use daily. It is called human ingenuity.

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." Shakespeare

Something like that anyways. But you see, no matter what you call it, the force that pulls us to Earth is there. No matter what you call the forces of nature, they are still there. Math is just our way of coming up with human made measurements for these things of the universe.

[*Magick* Mage]

Math is everything. God or no god. See that machine in front of you. It is run by pure metal and math. If you are looking at this you are proving math is loving true. If math didn't work you wouldn't exist, and your computer wouldn't work

"Mathematics is the language in which God wrote the universe."
   -Galileo Galilei
He was Italian. <3

Also it seems most of you here are people of logic. So take this logic into mind. You have the atheistic beliefs (belief that there is nothing after to sum it up) and then the Christian beliefs (the belief that if you accept Jesus as your savior, you go to Heaven) in this argument. Now, if you believe in Atheism, and you are wrong, you go to Hell(which by the way, you never get used to the flames, the pain is a burning of the spirit not of your physical body, so it is every lasting). If you are Atheist and you are right, you go no where. If you are Christian and  you are wrong, you go no where. If you are a Christian and you are right, you go to Heaven(which is a wonderful place where you are your spirit and nothing that can harm you exists). That's a bit of a negative way to think of it, friend. One should believe in something because they want to, and they feel that it is true. As I depict it, there is not hell.

And I can tell a lot of you are going to respond with: well what about this religion, we cannot believe in them all. Well, most religions that involve a higher power, were spawned from Christianity. So, you technically are believing in their god as well. Not really. Judaism was really the first Monotheistic religion that had a vast cultural impact. Christianity is actually a middle-aged religion, It has only been around since the early beginning of AD, many religions trace back thousands of years before that.

Just points I wanted to make. Very intriguing argument, though. As are most that do not consist of "LALALA I'M RIGHT, YOUR WRONG". :P

[Nitramtj]

I'm fine with religion, but what really gets me is people who believe in it because they need a purpose. It's amazing that we exist in the first place, we're lucky to be able to perceive and affect the world around us. Realizing that is enough for me.

Since you guys are talking about math... Math basically models real relationships between values. Calculus models real relationships in changing values. Mathematics is real, the unreal part comes from trying to fit it into very complex systems.

[pixl]

The measurements themselves are not he core of math. No matter what degrees the math is taking place in, you can do the same thing. a rocket wasn't put into space because an inch is as big as your fingertip. I'm not going to to try to disprove anyone anymore.


The meaning of life.

Mankind has always wondered why he is here. Most people in the world believe that some devine being/beings have placed us here. Others belive we are just here. Budda says the meaning of life is suffering, usually created by want and desire. Mankind has argued over this question for years.

[*Magick* Mage]

The meaning of life.

Mankind has always wondered why he is here. Most people in the world believe that some devine being/beings have placed us here. Others belive we are just here. Budda says the meaning of life is suffering, usually created by want and desire. Mankind has argued over this question for years.

Maybe it is merely to give life meaning. To yourself, to your family, to the world. That each man, regardless of who they are, may add a patch onto this quilt we call Life. :o

And then die. 

[GunnaBoyEB]

Mage, I thank you for your open mindedness in this argument.

The Atheism/Christian argument was merely showing those who thought religion was a waste of time, that it is not.

Judaism is a long the same lines as Christianity. They have had their conflicts yes, but who doesn't. Christianity is the believing in Christ. Who came in the year 0(AD or BC I have always wondered this). The prophecies in the Bible stated that the Jews would not be willing to accept Christ as their savior. That is the difference between the new and old testament. Testament in this sense means covenant. The New and Old Covenant. The Old Covenant included the sacrificing of animals to pay for your sins and you had many social tributes to God you had to show. (This is mostly what the Jews of today believe in, minus the sacrificing due to the Romans destroying their Temple, so they resorted to Prayer.)

The New Testament came in at the right time. Because society was changing so the sacrificing of animals was looked at poorly by the people. According to the New Testament, Jesus was the perfect lamb. He not only payed for our sins, but wiped them away with his blood. You see the symbolism, non-literal meanings here? Sins are not something you can physically see(to an extent). There is not a book of all of your sins somewhere. It is all a spiritual thing. Since people cannot see it, they choose not to believe it.

Also, that is why I said MOST RELIGIONS. Those pagan religions, such as the ones with the golden calf, were all spawned from Judaism.



The meaning of life, is to die. A very morbid meaning yes, but it is true. Life is not eternal, so it has no real purpose other then to end. Does not the purpose of things come out at the end of their reign?

[pixl]

If someone felt they had no purpose and they don't matter to anyone, they would be depressed. The thing that makes people keep on living is purpose.
Here is a mind bender:
what if the universe is one big project, created by a higher lifeform. But what if that life form was also part of an even bigger universe, and it's universe was a project created by...

[*Magick* Mage]

Mage, I thank you for your open mindedness in this argument. What do you mean? :o

The Atheism/Christian argument was merely showing those who thought religion was a waste of time, that it is not.

Judaism is a long the same lines as Christianity. They have had their conflicts yes, but who doesn't. Christianity is the believing in Christ. Who came in the year 0(AD or BC I have always wondered this). The prophecies in the Bible stated that the Jews would not be willing to accept Christ as their savior. That is the difference between the new and old testament. Testament in this sense means covenant. The New and Old Covenant. The Old Covenant included the sacrificing of animals to pay for your sins and you had many social tributes to God you had to show. (This is mostly what the Jews of today believe in, minus the sacrificing due to the Romans destroying their Temple, so they resorted to Prayer.) It's not really sure where the religion itself was spawned initially, seeing as Jesus was born somewhere near 6-9 BC, and died some 30 years later. The religion really didn't start until he was around the end of his life, I'd say.

The New Testament came in at the right time. Because society was changing so the sacrificing of animals was looked at poorly by the people. According to the New Testament, Jesus was the perfect lamb. He not only payed for our sins, but wiped them away with his blood. You see the symbolism, non-literal meanings here? Sins are not something you can physically see(to an extent). There is not a book of all of your sins somewhere. It is all a spiritual thing. Since people cannot see it, they choose not to believe it.

Also, that is why I said MOST RELIGIONS. Those pagan religions, such as the ones with the golden calf, were all spawned from Judaism. Other way around. Polytheism spawned Monotheism. Most Pagan religions came before Monotheism was even a concept.



The meaning of life, is to die. A very morbid meaning yes, but it is true. Life is not eternal, so it has no real purpose other then to end. Does not the purpose of things come out at the end of their reign? Mage disagrees. :o

Once again, well made argument, and I agree with most points, just some technicalities I wanted to point out to the best of my understanding. :)

Here is a mind bender:
what if the universe is one big project, created by a higher lifeform. But what if that life form was also part of an even bigger universe, and it's universe was a project created by...

Marble theory. :o

[dkamm65]

Science, math, etc... have all been wrong before. There are prophecies in the Bible that have come true, and they defy many of the scientific and mathematical laws. That is outright not true. Please point out ONE event in history (other than the events that take place in the bible) that defied the laws of physics.

There are principles in the Bible that are very useful. Being kind to ones neighbor, respect your father and mother, do not commit adultery, do not murder etc.. are all principles, if everyone followed them, would make the world a better place. You don't need a bible to not be an starfish.

You have the atheistic beliefs (belief that there is nothing after to sum it up) Atheism isn't a belief, it is a lack of a belief.

and then the Christian beliefs (the belief that if you accept Jesus as your savior, you go to Heaven) in this argument. Now, if you believe in Atheism, and you are wrong, you go to Hell(which by the way, you never get used to the flames, the pain is a burning of the spirit not of your physical body, so it is every lasting)Fear mongering to covert to your religion? Tisk tisk..

If you are Atheist and you are right, you go no where. If you are Christian and  you are wrong, you go no where. If you are a Christian and you are right, you go to Heaven(which is a wonderful place where you are your spirit and nothing that can harm you exists)Convert to Christianity, get a free PS3!!.
This is known as Pascal's Wager, and is an invalid argument. This article is very interesting, and more or less bashes Pascal's wager into dust.