Author Topic: Religious Stupidity  (Read 34706 times)


I'm not sure whether it's mentioned in bible but in the last two easter church services I've been to the priest spends considerable amounts of time condemning non-christians to hell. I'm certain that the bible frequently mentions hell, so as a christian you can't just not believe in hell. You would instead be a deist.
The Bible is the base of Christian teachings, however not all Christians completely believe in the Bible. I believe in the two most important Commandments in the religion, and as stated before, I'm not completely Christian. I identify myself as a Catholic Jew, as this is how I was raised, though I enjoy pulling many religions together to form my own Faith. I don't see how any one religion could possible be completely correct. They are all so diverse, yet so similar. And when you begin to dive into all of such, it's amazing just what you find.

The two most important commandments being?

Yeah, except we don't know if we can do it. There are hypotheses about how enough energy focused on one point could possibly create a universe which expands rapidly from its own big bang, but separates from ours almost instantly. Even if this is possible, there is nothing there stating that our universe was created by a God. And even if there was, there is nothing stating that it was a Christian God. You personally believe God influences things in the universe, which is not possible if you merely created a universe that you can have no contact with because it totally separates from your own. this one is silly to argue about, since science knows almost nil about this currently. we don't even know for sure whether it would seperate, it just seems most likely.

"considering that you are arguing on the internet about religion, you have no issues with doing things that have no use. and, considering that there is none of what you would consider "solid evidence" either way, it's roughly 50/50."

No, there is nothing that says God exists. Some guy saying that prayer works or supposed eyewitnesses to miracles don't count. In science, eyewitness accounts are the least respected thing. They cannot be reproduced and they cannot be tested. If you rely on those for evidence, you will be laughed at. I'm choosing to argue with you. I'm doing it for mental exercise, and it has its uses.

you really managed to miss the entire point of that. I JUST pointed out that there is no solid evidence either way. also I assume that you have, at some point played video games. I think it's a safe bet that you will never use skills gained from some of these video games for anything other than those video games.

"fairly sure none of us said that. nice to religious people sure but not mean to non-religious people with morals. it's generally assumed that these two are additive. ideally you are both."

Why is it 'ideal' that you have a religion when you already are moral?

speaking from a religous point of view. this should have been fairly obvious.

The Bible is the base of Christian teachings, however not all Christians completely believe in the Bible. I believe in the two most important Commandments in the religion, and as stated before, I'm not completely Christian. I identify myself as a Catholic Jew, as this is how I was raised, though I enjoy pulling many religions together to form my own Faith. I don't see how any one religion could possible be completely correct. They are all so diverse, yet so similar. And when you begin to dive into all of such, it's amazing just what you find.

not to mention that there are like 12 versions of the bible.


The two most important commandments being?

"you really managed to miss the entire point of that. I JUST pointed out that there is no solid evidence either way. also I assume that you have, at some point played video games. I think it's a safe bet that you will never use skills gained from some of these video games for anything other than those video games."

"you really managed to miss the entire point of that. I JUST pointed out that there is no solid evidence either way. also I assume that you have, at some point played video games. I think it's a safe bet that you will never use skills gained from some of these video games for anything other than those video games."

Uh, I'm not claiming anything. I am not saying there is evidence that God does not exist. There is no evidence that a teapot orbiting the sun halfway between Earth and Mars does not exist. I'm not claiming God does not exist. I'm saying it's fairly likely because at the moment there is no evidence. I am saying it is fallacious to assume God exists at the moment in time. And are you really saying because this is the forum for Blockland everything on it is related to video games?

"you really managed to miss the entire point of that. I JUST pointed out that there is no solid evidence either way."

You really managed to miss my point. I JUST pointed out that there IS solid evidence FOR my point of view and AGAINST yours.

not to mention that there are like 12 versions of the bible.
There is only one bible, the translations are what differ (and then only slightly).

ffff hit the wrong quote button.

first: evil is abscence of god, like cold is abscence of heat. and (this is just my religion, and maybe some others) I believe god has left evil on the earth because without evil, there is no point to us being here. he put us here to test us. this without evil would be like an entry exam where the only hing you had to do was fill in a little bubble, with on question, and no other answers.

You started arguing with my rebuttal of Pascal's wager, which you now agree is flawed? Cool story.

I never argued against it. Where did I specifically state that Pascal was right or wrong? Once again, assumptions. Your counter argument is flawed and personally biased because you assume I'm contradicting you.

It's not my 'opinion' when something is a logical fallacy. Logical fallacies are concrete and not subjective. Saying what we have defined as 2 added to itself equals what we have defined as 4 is not opinion. And all religions stem from one? There is no evidence of this, and religions are waaaaaaaay older than 6000 years.

You obviously don't read ancient Sumerian recorded history. The oldest recorded instance of a religious and organized civilzation in Earth's history. An opinion is an opinion when you state something and not everyone agrees with you. Since I see people obviously not agreeing with you, it certainly does not make you automatically right no matter what evidence you provide. It's still an opinion. Get used to it.

People do these things regardless of their religion or lack thereof. And when people break the law they either are responding to incentives to do so or are have had abnormal development socially. Impressing women is one of the most hardwired male instincts. Stealing is done because of poverty. Both are incentives. The sick thrill comes from being abnormal, usually a form of autism or sociopathic urges.

Yes people do it regardless, you must have not read that part where I specifically stated a few reasons why people disobey laws. But for some reason you seem to restate exactly what I said. Way to go.

lol, you're one to talk. You started arguing with me when you agreed that Pascal's wager was flawed.

Again, your personal assumtion where no written example is stated of my affiliation to the subject. Is that all you have to argue with?

You don't even know a THING about the Big Bang, and yet you speak like you do? Have you actually read anything about it or are you just basing your opinions on a history channel documentary on the subject?

I have stated the exact case you have repeated so many times on the Big bang. The universe starts from a single point. A huge explosion expands that finite point to the current size it is over a period of 14 billion years. What is there to not understand about it?

Seriously, what the forget. It is an observed fact the Universe has expanded rapidly from a smaller point. Light moves at a finite speed. By looking at light that's come from far enough away we can see billions of years into the past.

But thanks to the Big bang, you can never see the point of ignition so you can never truly tell if it did indeed start from a finite point or if it began from a galaxy 30 times our size because that light is still traveling towards us from so long ago. How many assumptions are you going to make to prove a theory?

And all atoms have electrons, unless they are ionized, and even the vast majority of ions have electrons. NO ONE KNOWS, I repeat, NO ONE KNOWS what caused the big bang. If you've heard claims to the contrary, you've been mislead. Atoms cannot smash eachother and cause a big bang because atoms exist within the universe, and the singularity before the big bang was the entire universe.

Ionized atoms have an extra electron, not being devoid of one. I think you need to go back to school, my friend because atoms can not exist without electrons. Secondly, since you said no one knows what caused the big bang then why are you so offended about something you don't even believe in being the relying cause? You don't know, so why do you assume that that obviously isn't it? You don't know so you can't argue against it.

WTF? There is no valid reason to fear anything from the LHC, and all you're doing is spreading misinformation and fear mongering.
So say you. We know that the fusion or the breaking apart of atoms causes large explosions like observed in THE SUN or ATOMIC BOMBS, yet when done in small quantities it won't do the same? Sure, the scale won't be as prominent, but explosions still happen and each time those series of tests are run, the machine that keeps a set amount of particles entering the machine at one time can always fail and as a result a much larger explosion can occur, maybe even one large enough to leave that place as a giant smoldering crater. Again you assume too much faith in Science being flawless in infalliable when it, just like religion has been proven to be wrong before and has changed as our understanding grows.

For a person who seems so sure of himself and his arguments, you make a lot of assumptions.
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Amade, a valid point you made, but it states "in the beginning" It never said "In the beginning, which was about 6 days, God created the Heavens and the Earth." Everything he did with the Earth is what conspired in those "6days" which on a eternal deity scale can go, can easily equal 6 billion years in comparison. But that's just a personal opinion and is always subject to debate.

he created us knowing what we'd be like. omniscience is a bitch

that was at the guy with the red av btw

"you really managed to miss the entire point of that. I JUST pointed out that there is no solid evidence either way."

You really managed to miss my point. I JUST pointed out that there IS solid evidence FOR my point of view and AGAINST yours.

no, there is not. none. at all. find me solid evidence that god does not exist. go ahaid. (no theories or speculation)

There is only one bible, the translations are what differ (and then only slightly).
not really. some religionsuse parts of the bible, but not others. some think something has been mistranslated, and just rewrite chunks. many religions tailor the bible to fit them best.

The two most important commandments being?
"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it. Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."  -Matt 22:37-40

I believe the basic of this. Love all with all your heart.


I've always found that silly. :3 I believe the last one, he is able and willing, but if he were to eliminate all pain and sorrow, why place us here in the first place? Earth is not meant to be perfect.