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Just pointing out that I actually did say something.

[ase]

Just pointing out that I actually did say something.

It still doesnt make up for the fact that it was hardly related to anything.

[Lalam24]

Well you're going by spacetime, which is more complicated for argument's sake at this point.  However, the 4th dimension I was using wasn't simply an abstract measurement of sequence, because motion isn't possible without time.

Motion can simply be the movement of objects.  This doesn't imply that time has to be an object.

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You act as if it's something you can argue.

[ase]

You act as if it's something you can argue.

wrong topic for religion wars.

Ontopic: Another way to think about time. motion is not dependent on time. Time is dependent on motion. to reverse time, you will have to reverse all motion.

using this concept, the idea of alternate dimensions becomes nothing. This also puts us all on a predetermined path. every spontaneous thought, action, or movement was all predetermined. It also adds the question, what controls the predetermining?

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[Niliscro]

Motion can simply be the movement of objects.  This doesn't imply that time has to be an object.

I'm not saying time is an object.  Perhaps poor wording on my behalf.  Put it this way:

A ball is moving at a given speed in a given direction.  If it is 1m from its starting point during a single frame, and then 1.1m from its starting point in another frame, then the ball's position changed.  Such a change is called motion, obviously.  However, if you remove this progression of frames, it is impossible for anything to move.  This progression we refer to as time, and use it to measure the order of events.

If we call such a progression time, and if it's impossible to have motion without this progression, thus it is impossible to have motion without time.

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That's just recursion.

[ase]

I'm not saying time is an object.  Perhaps poor wording on my behalf.  Put it this way:

A ball is moving at a given speed in a given direction.  If it is 1m from its starting point during a single frame, and then 1.1m from its starting point in another frame, then the ball's position changed.  Such a change is called motion, obviously.  However, if you remove this progression of frames, it is impossible for anything to move.  This progression we refer to as time, and use it to measure the order of events.

If we call such a progression time, and if it's impossible to have motion without this progression, thus it is impossible to have motion without time.
That's just recursion.

That's a slightly different, more complex way of putting what I said earlier.

Another way to think about time. motion is not dependent on time. Time is dependent on motion. to reverse time, you will have to reverse all motion.
using this concept, the idea of alternate dimensions becomes nothing. This also puts us all on a predetermined path. every spontaneous thought, action, or movement was all predetermined. It also adds the question, what controls the predetermining?

This still puts everything on a predetermined path. This is why there is no True Randomness. there is only pseudo randomness that is too complex or fast for us to predetermine.

[Niliscro]

That's a slightly different, more complex way of putting what I said earlier. This still puts everything on a predetermined path. This is why there is no True Randomness. there is only pseudo randomness that is too complex or fast for us to predetermine.

What you said and what I said are exact opposites.  I said time determines motion and you somehow claim the inverse.

[Lalam24]

I'm not saying time is an object.  Perhaps poor wording on my behalf.  Put it this way:

A ball is moving at a given speed in a given direction.  If it is 1m from its starting point during a single frame, and then 1.1m from its starting point in another frame, then the ball's position changed.  Such a change is called motion, obviously.  However, if you remove this progression of frames, it is impossible for anything to move.  This progression we refer to as time, and use it to measure the order of events.

If we call such a progression time, and if it's impossible to have motion without this progression, thus it is impossible to have motion without time.
That's just recursion.

We still do not understand the movement of particles.  We assume there's the concept of time to try and ease theory.  It is, quite simply, incomprehensible to the human mind.  We can't acknowledge a concept directly unless it is actually mathematically proven.  We can't prove it, until we figure out something.  However, we don't know what that something is, because we can't understand it.

wrong topic for religion wars.

Religion wars?  The bible is a paradox, that's fact.

Ontopic: Another way to think about time. motion is not dependent on time. Time is dependent on motion. to reverse time, you will have to reverse all motion.
using this concept, the idea of alternate dimensions becomes nothing. This also puts us all on a predetermined path. every spontaneous thought, action, or movement was all predetermined. It also adds the question, what controls the predetermining?

This is a ridiculous assumption that doesn't abide by any fact based rules at all.  Two concepts being dependent upon each other is a paradox, which should've been obvious.  Ultimately disproving your weird "predetermined" theorem.

[Niliscro]

We still do not understand the movement of particles.  We assume there's the concept of time to try and ease theory.  It is, quite simply, incomprehensible to the human mind.  We can't acknowledge a concept directly unless it is actually mathematically proven.  We can't prove it, until we figure out something.  However, we don't know what that something is, because we can't understand it.

When discussing this, however, it's necessary to give name to that final piece to the puzzle of movement, what we refer to as sequence, order, or quite simply time.

It's comparable to the word "nothing", which describes nothing but in describing it makes it something.  Speaking of paradoxes...

[Lalam24]

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