A question to christheads (yay reli-war)

[*Magick* Mage]

God is omnipotent (he has to be because he created an infinite universe) and is therefore capable of tracking every interaction and state of every particle in the universe at any time. Your life is predetermined as the existence of omniscience requires.

He knows every path that may happen, that doesn't mean He decides that on which you travel. From what I have gathered so far, the only ones whom have this predetermined absolute fate are those who worked directly for God. And also mind you, God may not constantly used His omnipotence, therefore He may not be constantly omniscient if so they are intertwined. Once again though, if you can find a quote just cite it here. I don't believe all that the Bible depicts - I'm partially right now speaking on terms of it for the sake of learning.

But just going by my own personally Faith, God knows everything after it happens. Certainly He can have an idea of what will happen, or manipulate something to happen, but as for concrete knowledge, eh. But time, I suppose, is much different for Him.

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[Azerath]

Anyone who says that your opinion on religion doesn't matter, needs to shut up.
Most all of our wars are in the name or religion, and if we weren't so loving stupid, then maybe we wouldn't have people die for your fake make believe stories.
We might actually have been 100 years ahead technologically, but religion forgeted it up.

I can't stand this. It amazes me how stupid people can be.
NO OFFENSE.

[DrenDran]

Why didn't god just make people not eat the apple, or make them better?
Why didn't he just make people naturally better towards each other and him then?
He made flawed people, that would mean he is flawed.

[dkamm65]

Magick, I think you hurt the weaboo's feelings.

Say "your sorry."

you're*

And lol, you think I'm a weaboo.

[Dodger]

Weeaboo =/= Liking Hentai

Also, I haven't read page 4 and up yet because it would be the same arguments going back and forth most likely, so here is my thought why we don't go to straight to heaven.

Lets say your great grandparents borrowed 1,000,000$ from the mafia (Mafia being Satan), which they wasted, (aka Had the burden of sin), and couldn't pay it back. Not only that, but the debt goes up 500,000$ for each new generation in the family (Inheritance of the sin). If your family doesn't pay it back by the end of the year, one adult member is taken and severely tortured by the mafia (Sent to hell). Now lets say an individual with over a trillion dollars decides to back back your families debt in full, sacrificing nearly a 1/3 of his value (Guess what this represents). All he asked was that you ask him please and promise not to make foolish decisions like your parents did, and he would still pay back some debts that you would acquire later in life.

Wow, I can't think of anything good right now.

[Talent74]

Oh great, it's THIS thread again.

[Kalphiter]

God may not constantly used His omnipotence

But he shot web.

[Aphtonites]

I still approve of that theory that religion was make to keep people in order.
I mean, if christianity was proven real, i'd cetainly be a nice guy, i'd never want to go to hell.

But at this moment ,i'm just agnostic.

[Mr.Interceptor]

When Jesus came to earth, he defeated Satan by dying on the cross for our sin.

I never understood that part. I'm sure Jesus' crucifixion was not for mankind, it was a punishment from the Roman Empire for doing....I don't know what.

[Wizard]

He knows every path that may happen, that doesn't mean He decides that on which you travel. From what I have gathered so far, the only ones whom have this predetermined absolute fate are those who worked directly for God. And also mind you, God may not constantly used His omnipotence, therefore He may not be constantly omniscient if so they are intertwined. Once again though, if you can find a quote just cite it here. I don't believe all that the Bible depicts - I'm partially right now speaking on terms of it for the sake of learning.

But just going by my own personally Faith, God knows everything after it happens. Certainly He can have an idea of what will happen, or manipulate something to happen, but as for concrete knowledge, eh. But time, I suppose, is much different for Him.

I don't need to use any bible passages for this. The universe is infinite or at least near infinite. God created the universe. God must therefore be capable of creating an infinite amount of energy and therefore power. God is omnipotent. God therefore has the capability to create infinite or near-infinite processing power (enough at the very least to calculate every possible interaction between every particle in the universe. Our decisions are based off of outside information that can be calculated. Even if you think there's an element of randomness there's no way to create a truly random roll, as even the roll of a die is based on the state + velocity of the die at every point during the roll. God is therefore capable of calculating the future (something nothing INSIDE the universe is capable of doing) with absoloute certainty. Not turning on this omniscience is downright evil as as it is he is simply creating people to kill and rape the good and be tortured forever (which is infinitely unjust by the way).

[IkeTheGeneric]

Maybe our universe is a science playset for some fifteen-year-old genius who's sadistic

[Bisjac]

Christians believe life is a short term test to a greater existence.

yet they still waste this little time watching tv and worrying about their menial jobs and family dramas.
shouldn't they be out....you know....doing something worthwhile? i mean, if they truly believe this garbage.

by their own standards, they are all ridiculous sinners.

[IkeTheGeneric]

Christians believe life is a short term test to a greater existence.

yet they still waste this little time watching tv and worrying about their menial jobs and family dramas.
shouldn't they be out....you know....doing something worthwhile? i mean, if they truly believe this garbage.

by their own standards, they are all ridiculous sinners.

People have faith in religion so they don't have to explain where the universe came from

[_Rave_]

Could you quote it for me. To the best of my knowledge, predestination was a part of the protestant reform, in which it entailed that God decided whether each man was saved or damned (in it's most simple sense). For Him to be fully omniscient (But not have predetermined), this would differ, as He would then follow your future as determined - in a way - by your own accord and God would judge you by this. While similar, they are two different ideas.  

Yeah Puritan bros are crazy.

My teacher made us read "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God"

It was actually a bit frightening for post New Testament beliefs.

[Squall Leonheart2275]

Im a christian but I'm starting to believe less and less.