Author Topic: The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity  (Read 17371 times)

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Who would maintain those robots without any pay, hmm?

Who would maintain those robots without any pay, hmm?
magic!

you could eventually make robots that self repair but that'd be a logistics nightmare and not in our capability for a long time

without any currency

LETS DO HARD LABOR FOR NO PROFIT

That would be fun!

automation not human labor

The more people freed from labor the more that are free for human creativity.

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You do realize that is hundreds of years ahead of us

automation not human labor

The more people freed from labor the more that are free for human creativity.

Who would maintain those robots without any pay, hmm?

You didn't answer me.

And we don't even have that kind of technology yet, for complete automation.

automation not human labor
complete automation isn't going to be possible for a long time

How about you take your movement to the bathroom?

OP sounds like an idiot, and the "movement" sounds stupid. I don't have to even read the whole thread and I know everything in the OP is a bad idea and it sounds too much like communism

1. the large media outlets offer news from all around the world without having to trawl through hundreds of local news companies

2. energy companies buy their material (coal, uranium, whatever) from developing countries, supporting the third world countries growing economy. funfact: countries tend to destroy their ecosystem as they develop. the british polluted their own rivers as they became an industrial superpower. 3rd world countries unfortunately need to destroy rainforests to get at their natural resources, or they'll remain as a backwater stuffhole.

3. the military provides scholarships and an option for people who have no alternatives in life.

4. what

5. ok so i'll put all my savings in my pillow where someone can steal it and i loose absolutely everything

6. no
1. you don't have to use local news. seriously.
2. lol watch part 2
3. them having no alternatives is a consequence of the monetary system kthx
4. do it.
5. the fed cartel is not every bank ever.
6. excellent argument

complete automation isn't going to be possible for a long time
You didn't answer me.

And we don't even have that kind of technology yet, for complete automation.
uhh we do actually, for the most part.

How about you take your movement to the bathroom?

OP sounds like an idiot, and the "movement" sounds stupid. I don't have to even read the whole thread and I know everything in the OP is a bad idea and it sounds too much like communism
ignorance sure is bliss

Let's say you don't ever want to work, so you don't. You'll starve to death, or die of thirst, or freeze to death in the cold without shelter. You need money to buy food, water, and shelter. Where do you get money? You can take out a loan (bad idea), or you can work. You are forced to work. Is slavery not forced labor?

You're twisting my words.

Nothing is free in this world, everything has a price. That price is time, as it is very valuable to us. We all strive to get the most out of our time, it's human nature.
Now, when we invest our time into objects (Tangible or intangible), we also transfer the value to that object. The more investment you put in, the more valuable it is. This is one way of how we measure value. The second way would be seeing how much time something would save us and creating value from the theoretical saved time. The third way is how much pleasure something brings us. We all want pleasure in our lives and we'd be willing to trade our time (and it's value) to obtain that pleasure.

That is why certain people and objects are more or less valuable to us individually. And this is also why we get disappointed when things don't go our way (Messed up plans, broken objects, etc.)

As a quick summery, our time on this earth brings us value. The more time we have, the more value we have.

Now, it's only logical to assume we'd want to maintain this value, and most basic of ways to do that is to maintain our life. We do this by sustaining bodily functions such as eating, drinking, having shelter, etc..

So how do we obtain what we need to maintain our value? We trade some of our value (AKA our time, though I'll start calling it value) to maintain the rest of it. The more value you trade, the easier it is to maintain what you have left. If you give nothing at all, you will lose your value (Your life). Though you can scrape by by just giving a little of your value, the rest of your value dwindles away as you get older. If you give too much value, you burn yourself out and won't have any value. Therefore, it's logical that someone should find a balance to how much value they should give to maintain.

So if we are able to maintain, yet it is slowly decreasing, how is it that some are able to have more value? They add value to themselves by saving other people time through their actions. For example, Bill Gate's creation, the Windows OS, has saved numerous people countless hours in many ways. Therefore, instead of investing a lot their own value into doing something, they can give a little value to Bill and get what they need easier.

This value also translates into what we call power. Power is essentially being able to use other people's value for your own means. More power = more value.

One other way to obtain value is to temporarily borrow it. We do this by agreeing to give someone a bit more value than they give us. Normally, this is a fair trade and is good. For example, buying a house. It's hard to obtain enough money to buy a house. So what could you do to get one as it is necessary to sustaining value? By borrowing someone's value for a little while, you are able to give it back to them as you can now sustain value.

So why should we add value to ourselves? Extra value doesn't really help in maintaining the rest of our value after a certain point, so what is it used for? Pleasure. It's the end goal of everything. Ultimately, we as humans would like to invest our time, our value, solely into pleasure. But we cannot, as pleasure usually is more valuable than what value we already have. By adding value to ourselves, we are able to achieve pleasure, which is the end of the cycle.


Finally, to get to what I was trying to say, survival isn't slavery. We all have to work to sustain ourselves, that isn't a choice we can make. The only choice we can make is how we do so, whether by choice or necessity.

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The military is an obsolete institution that does nothing but handicap human progress and further the agenda of the banks and corporations.

bahahahaha oh wow

the military does humanitarian aide and peacekeeping. the mexican navy sent a frigate to aide the New Orleans relief effort after hurricane katrina devastated it, the us military sets up schools and the UN tries to maintain peace in african countries

2. Get off the energy grid and stop supporting the energy companies who pollute poor countries and annihilate local economies.
I'm assuming you are still on the energy grid given that you are posting this from an electrical device. How can you expect anyone to follow this movement when you won't even?

This is complete stuff.

It is a movement based on shallow thought-to-be-simplistic problems and whoever made it is a forget stuff for doing so.

So every job that we do now would be done by robots, that also includes driving. so I suppose that there is one big ass AI that is to do all of this. This reminds me of something.

1. you don't have to use local news. seriously.
2. lol watch part 2
3. them having no alternatives is a consequence of the monetary system kthx
4. do it.
5. the fed cartel is not every bank ever.
6. excellent argument
uhh we do actually, for the most part.
ignorance sure is bliss
1- so what do I use? media jumps from towns to counties then right up national levels
3- military personnel have very large pensions and free healthcare
5- so what is "the fed cartel"?


I'm assuming you are still on the energy grid given that you are posting this from an electrical device. How can you expect anyone to follow this movement when you won't even?
well obviously the solution to getting of the energy grid is to
A- buy solar panels (made by energy companies) that give you very meager amounts of power
B- buy a wind turbine (made by energy companies) that give you good power if you live on a cliff and want to piss off everyone within half a mile from the noise it makes
C- plantation to grow planets for biodiesel fuel, which will run on engines (made by energy companies)
D- buy an electric generator (from an energy company) so you can spend hours on a bicycle to get enough power for a few hours of computer time; good luck powering your gaming PC and your A/C unit at the same time.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2011, 07:50:05 PM by Saber15 »

Let's leave all our work to robots!

They either kill us or we atrophy and die!