The Zeitgeist Movement - A better way for humanity

[Thorax]

Amade, seriously, shut up. You equally don't understand what's going on. Don't call me ignorant because I watched your film. All 2 hours of it. And frankly, it didn't make me see your reasoning why this movement is good. You have overlooked the major flaws in this movement and continue to neglect the hard-to-answer questions, instead, defaulting to people who barely have an idea of the branches of government. Heck, I really don't expect you to know much more than they do. And yet, you're acting like some butthurt elitist debating with them.

And sure, I don't study polletics extensively or even watch the news often, but at least I have the nerveto use common sense before being swayed by some movie.

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[Oasis]

Someone should lock this topic before a full out loving riot ensues.

[Mr.Interceptor]

Someone should lock this topic before a full out loving riot ensues.

Internet riots. What.

[Thorax]

For Amade's sake:

You're twisting my words.

Nothing is free in this world, everything has a price. That price is time, as it is very valuable to us. We all strive to get the most out of our time, it's human nature.
Now, when we invest our time into objects (Tangible or intangible), we also transfer the value to that object. The more investment you put in, the more valuable it is. This is one way of how we measure value. The second way would be seeing how much time something would save us and creating value from the theoretical saved time. The third way is how much pleasure something brings us. We all want pleasure in our lives and we'd be willing to trade our time (and it's value) to obtain that pleasure.

That is why certain people and objects are more or less valuable to us individually. And this is also why we get disappointed when things don't go our way (Messed up plans, broken objects, etc.)

As a quick summery, our time on this earth brings us value. The more time we have, the more value we have.

Now, it's only logical to assume we'd want to maintain this value, and most basic of ways to do that is to maintain our life. We do this by sustaining bodily functions such as eating, drinking, having shelter, etc..

So how do we obtain what we need to maintain our value? We trade some of our value (AKA our time, though I'll start calling it value) to maintain the rest of it. The more value you trade, the easier it is to maintain what you have left. If you give nothing at all, you will lose your value (Your life). Though you can scrape by by just giving a little of your value, the rest of your value dwindles away as you get older. If you give too much value, you burn yourself out and won't have any value. Therefore, it's logical that someone should find a balance to how much value they should give to maintain.

So if we are able to maintain, yet it is slowly decreasing, how is it that some are able to have more value? They add value to themselves by saving other people time through their actions. For example, Bill Gate's creation, the Windows OS, has saved numerous people countless hours in many ways. Therefore, instead of investing a lot their own value into doing something, they can give a little value to Bill and get what they need easier.

This value also translates into what we call power. Power is essentially being able to use other people's value for your own means. More power = more value.

One other way to obtain value is to temporarily borrow it. We do this by agreeing to give someone a bit more value than they give us. Normally, this is a fair trade and is good. For example, buying a house. It's hard to obtain enough money to buy a house. So what could you do to get one as it is necessary to sustaining value? By borrowing someone's value for a little while, you are able to give it back to them as you can now sustain value.

So why should we add value to ourselves? Extra value doesn't really help in maintaining the rest of our value after a certain point, so what is it used for? Pleasure. It's the end goal of everything. Ultimately, we as humans would like to invest our time, our value, solely into pleasure. But we cannot, as pleasure usually is more valuable than what value we already have. By adding value to ourselves, we are able to achieve pleasure, which is the end of the cycle.


Finally, to get to what I was trying to say, survival isn't slavery. We all have to work to sustain ourselves, that isn't a choice we can make. The only choice we can make is how we do so, whether by choice or necessity.

[Oasis]

Internet riots. What.

Yup. Internet riots.

[Thar]

WHEN YOU HAVE TO FORCE PEOPLE TO AGREE WITH YOU, IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA

IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THIS STUPID "MOVEMENT", STOP INSULTING PEOPLE FOR NOT BELIEVING IT

We're aren't insulting you for not believing in it. We're insulting you for flaming it when you obviously haven't looked at the means to further your knowledge on the subject.

[Oasis]

We're aren't insulting you for not believing in it. We're insulting you for flaming it when you obviously haven't looked at the means to further your knowledge on the subject.

There is no subject, this movement is not a movement it is a complete dismantling of society and the modern world. A movement is typically just changing a few things while this is a complete renovation of mankind.

[Skele]

We're aren't insulting you for not believing in it. We're insulting you for flaming it when you obviously haven't looked at the means to further your knowledge on the subject.

Perhaps some of them have and you are assuming that they haven't looked into it given that they are still not supporting it? In which case you must also assume that no one could ever reject this movement.

[Thar]

There is indeed a subject. And a movement is an organized or heterogeneous group of people or organizations tending toward or favoring a generalized common goal

Perhaps some of them have and you are assuming that they haven't looked into it given that they are still not supporting it? In which case you must also assume that no one could ever reject this movement.

I have not thought of that. However, if anyone has seen the videos/sources provided should make that known.

[yuki]

You spout so much hypocritical bullstuff, it's hilarious.

[Oasis]

There is indeed a subject. And a movement is an organized or heterogeneous group of people or organizations tending toward or favoring a generalized common goal

I have not thought of that. However, if anyone has seen the videos/sources provided should make that known.

Way to turn toward literal meanings and not focus on my point. Good show.

[Thar]

Then what was your meaning by that remark?

[Night Fox]

Wait you think the military is to hide us from stuff.
What the hell are you on?
Military is military.
You know, war, protection, that sorta stuff.

[IkeTheGeneric]

Thar is an idiot and Amade is an idiot.

If I need proof to back this up, then I'll just keep it as my opinion.

But they are truly stupid

[Thorax]

I have not thought of that. However, if anyone has seen the videos/sources provided should make that known.

Don't call me ignorant because I watched your film. All 2 hours of it.

Hurp durp.

I feel like everyone is just skipping over my replies. Oh well...

Thar is an idiot and Amade is an idiot.

If I need proof to back this up, then I'll just keep it as my opinion.

But they are truly stupid

QFT