Author Topic: The Zeitgeist Movement  (Read 11007 times)

Again no. The only doomsday mentioned in the Bible is the rapture and Armageddon
I wasn't talking about the Bible, I was talking about who proclaimed the doomsday.

I was talking about who proclaimed the doomsday.
Al Gore amrite?

Here's a few questions I'd like answered:

1. How are you going to eliminate every damn religion ever made and expect everyone to be ok with it?
Nope. Religion wars all over the earth with this stuff 'movement'
2. What will happen when someone tries to control other people and exploit resources?
WW3. Happened in WW2, people aren't going to let history repeat
3. How are you going to apply this to every loving country on earth? Terrorists, Rich Sultans, and certain country governments dislike our globalization of our current economy, so you are going to forcibly take resources from them, redistribute them to poor lazy ass people, and take away their religion also? Impossible. Human nature prevents this.

4. Who is going to stabilize this system and keep it free of corruption while also keeping resources and moral in check?The Government OH WAIT, THERE IS NONE.

Al Gore amrite?
Al Gore is actually quite intuitive on global warming. It's happening, no matter what's it's opposition thinks.

I wasn't talking about the Bible, I was talking about who proclaimed the doomsday.
Mayans. Their calender ends on 2012

Al Gore is actually quite intuitive on global warming. It's happening, no matter what's it's opposition thinks.
Sooooooo


Amrite?


@Rekuddo:
"I watch both sides of the news to get both opinions, a lot of people do this it's interesting I was following both Liberal and Conservative newspapers during the Egyptian protests, it's interesting to see what both sides have to say."
There are many biased non-major news sources.

Which is why like myself and a lot of other people like to POINT OUT THE BIAS.

"Monopolies in states, not the total country. Such as I live in Pennsylvania, in southwestern Pennsylvania we use Allegheny power, they have a monopoly over southwest Pennsylvania. Reducing dependence on electric companies? That makes no sense everyone's still going to rely on them for energy, what about hospitals? Schools? public buildings?"
The existence of monopolies is irrelevant anyway, and I said reduce, not eliminate.

Explain to me how to reduce. You're using a power company, like everyone else here.


"My family is a military family, nearly everyone of my family members have been in the military, they really enjoy it and continue to do it, even my family members who are retired wish they could still be in, the military has a lot of benefits, the military however is not for a lot of people, it takes dedication."
This does not even begin to explain how the military is a "great choice for a career path," what your family does is irrelevant.

"The military has a lot of benefits" should explain that enough. Have you even talked to a vet or someone who is in the military who enjoys it?

"Yes that's why everyone in their right mind has a bank account."
Do remember that the Zeitgeist movement encourages boycotting the fed cartel, not all banks.

Selling your stock and getting rid of your bank account. First off if everyone got rid of their stocks and nobody was allowed to buy stocks, that would basically eliminate capitalism. While I understand Zeitgiest is a move towards socialism, and I do like some points in socialism, total socialism is not what this country needs. We're a mixed economy between capitalism and socialism.


"I'm not going to listen to a 15 year old who hardly has any real experiences in the real world with politics explain to me why a stupid idea is better for the people of this country."
1. Clearly, you are listening to me.
2. My age has nothing to do with this discussion, nor does yours or anyone else's.
3. Addendum explains this "stupid idea" rather nicely.

Your age has a lot to do with this discussion. Have you even been out to the world? Experienced what normal people experience?
I'm 18, I've taken classes on Micro and Macro Economics in high school, taken courses on business, I understand free-trade, socialism, the invisible hand, traditional economies, mixed economies, command style economies, taken classes on Government, local and nation-wide. And I've been accepted to a college where my major is Economics with a dual-major in political science. [/superioritycomplex]

And I've watched Addendum, Stoned, drunk, and sober and it still don't loving make sense.


If you can act smart with me I can act smart with you.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2011, 08:16:59 PM by Rekuddo »

Capitalism is fine.

But as Jefferson said "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

He actually produced an insight into what the future could be like with banking institutions yet we didn't take that information to heart. Now look at the mess we have made, that can and will be cleaned up.

Not by this movement though.


2012 is when the mayan calendar ended.
I misunderstood the question

@Dodger:
"How are you going to eliminate every damn religion ever made and expect everyone to be ok with it?"
Where did we say anything about the elimination of religion?

"What will happen when someone tries to control other people and exploit resources?"
Why would they do that if they have everything they want?

"How are you going to apply this to every loving country on earth? Terrorists, Rich Sultans, and certain country governments dislike our globalization of our current economy, so you are going to forcibly take resources from them, redistribute them to poor lazy ass people, and take away their religion also?"
Naturally, there will be difficulty with this, especially if the rest of the world clings to their ignorance the way most of you seem to do. Where was anything said about seizure of resources and redistribution to the poor, or are you just making assumptions?

"Who is going to stabilize this system and keep it free of corruption while also keeping resources and moral in check?"
Clearly, you have the impression that this is an anarchistic system. It is not.

-snip-
You have demonstrated your ignorance so thoroughly that I won't bother picking this apart.

Mayans. Their calender ends on 2012
No it doesn't. A very long cycle in their calendar ends in 2012 and begins anew, a cause for celebration in Mayan culture - not an indicator of the apocalypse.

@Rekuddo:
"Which is why like myself and a lot of other people like to POINT OUT THE BIAS."
Ok? Do so? All Zeitgeist is suggesting is the avoidance of major news outlets.

"Explain to me how to reduce. You're using a power company, like everyone else here."
From Addendum: "Four. Stop supporting the energy companies. If you live in a detached house, get off the grid. Investigate every means of making your home self-sustainable with clean energy. Solar, wind, and other renewable energies are now affordable consumer realities, and considering the never ending rising costs of traditional energies, it will likely be a cheaper investment over time. If you drive, get the smallest car you can and consider using one of the many conversion technologies that can enable your car to be a hybrid, electric, or run on anything other than establishment fuels."

"Selling your stock and getting rid of your bank account. First off if everyone got rid of their stocks and nobody was allowed to buy stocks, that would basically eliminate capitalism. While I understand Zeitgiest is a move towards socialism, and I do like some points in socialism, total socialism is not what this country needs. We're a mixed economy between capitalism and socialism."
For yet another time, Zeitgeist is not socialism. The Zeitgeist movement is not suggesting that you sell all of your stocks and get rid of your bank account, but that you avoid storing your money in and especially getting a loan from the group of banks known as the fed cartel.

"Your age has a lot to do with this discussion. Have you even been out to the world? Experienced what normal people experience?
I'm 18, I've taken classes on Micro and Macro Economics in high school, taken courses on business, I understand free-trade, socialism, the invisible hand, traditional economies, mixed economies, command style economies, taken classes on Government, local and nation-wide. And I've been accepted to a college where my major is Economics with a dual-major in political science. [/superioritycomplex]"

So you're a little over two years from where I am now - congratulations? My age does not make my opinion invalid, and your age doesn't make your opinion valid. This little paragraph about how awesome you think you are goes nowhere towards showing how you've been "out to the world", and I can assure you that I have "experienced what normal people experience".

"And I've watched Addendum, Stoned, drunk, and sober and it still don't loving make sense."
I apologize if you were not able to comprehend Addendum, but I doubt with the level of intelligence you claimed to have above that you honestly didn't understand it.

Not by this movement though.
Addendum has many quotes on that notion, and aims to fix that problem. How would Zeitgeist not successfully eliminate the power of the banks?

4. Who is going to stabilize this system and keep it free of corruption while also keeping resources and moral in check?
Robots!

I'm pretty sure Wizard said there would be no religion within this system.

Also, this is a resource based economy, which I'm sure implies some sort of forced distribution of local resources to other people. It also assumes that the Earth has unlimited everything, but unfortunately, it doesn't. You can't manufacture gold, iron, and other natural elements. I would love to see a practical and realistic approach at full automation of everything and unlimited resources, but unfortunately, this is impossible.

How are you going to manufacture more land? Populations will only keep going up most likely, unless you integrate mass abortions which many people will disagree with. More people means you need more land, regardless of how many actual resources you have. Even with artificial islands, the earth only has such a limited surface area.

You are still going to need oil to do anything with this most likely, and unfortunately thats getting pretty scarce. Green energy also costs a lot of natural resources and labor to make, so you will have to force some sort of distribution of these resources to achieve these goals.

Robots!

Skynet?
« Last Edit: February 15, 2011, 08:56:14 PM by Dodger »

How are you going to manufacture more land? Populations will only keep going up most likely, unless you integrate mass abortions which many people will disagree with. More people means you need more land, regardless of how many actual resources you have. Even with artificial islands, the earth only has such a limited surface area.
But is growing at an incredibly slow rate due to the space giving off what it has.