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[Mr. Wallet]

forget 'em. If we tax people to pay for spending, they judge us. If they don't, they call us protecting the rich? What the forget? Discuss politics and stuff.

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[Iban]

I'd like to point out that Wallet has several mental deteriorations and lives in his parents' attic. His mother and father are wealthy doctors.

[Ningyou]

It's quite right for Obama wanting to tax the rich. I know it's not fair, but if it can fix your country's future, why the forget not? They are rich anyways, and if they refuse to, they're just egotistical as hell and do not give a flying forget about their country.

[Dodger]

It's quite right for Obama wanting to tax the rich. I know it's not fair, but if it can fix your country's future, why the forget not? They are rich anyways, and if they refuse to, they're just egotistical as hell and do not give a flying forget about their country.

Republicans think however, if they tax the rich, they won't become active entrepreneurs and invest in businesses with their own capital (money), and that the Government shouldn't have to redistribute wealth to the businesses like a mother pig suckling her piglets.

Not saying I'm a hardcore conservative.

[Iban]

There's a difference between taxing the rich and taxing companies, though. America has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the industrialized world. We do have relatively high personal tax rate, but there's a reason why business is so big in the states and that's because we only graze the skin of corporations like Halliburton.

[Giovan]

It will not fix the country.

Give me any political argument and I will prove the democrats wrong.
Government spending hurts the free market.
The government printing money is the only way inflation is caused.
The government is not abiding by the constitution at all. It says that the federal government can do almost nothing but enforce normal laws, sustain the army, and handle international affairs. The rest of the power is given to the states. That includes forcing people to buy health care from a private party. Not that the states can do that either.

Throw any political question at me. I dare you all.

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Republicans think however, if they tax the rich, they won't become active entrepreneurs and invest in businesses with their own capital (money), and that the Government shouldn't have to redistribute wealth to the businesses like a mother pig suckling her piglets.

Very true. While I'm on that subject, let's cover welfare, shall we.
Note: If a conservitive attacks welfare, as I'm about to do, every demo-cat is going to start an appeal to pity logical fallacy. If you of you does such, I will ignore you entirely. Just saying.

Welfare is obama taking money from hard working people, through taxes, and giving it to whoever he pleases. He thinks providing from them and not teaching them to work will somehow help the free market. That's him thinking socialism works. History has proven that it doesn't.

[Iban]

Throw any political question at me. I dare you all.

Oh boy, a tough guy. I'm too scared!

[Dodger]

There's a difference between taxing the rich and taxing companies, though. America has one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the industrialized world. We do have relatively high personal tax rate, but there's a reason why business is so big in the states and that's because we only graze the skin of corporations like Halliburton.

Conservatives think that the rich people that are taxed should invest in the businesses rather than the Government using the excess money they tax from them.

I really didn't say too much about taxing businesses directly, but I do know what you are saying.  

The government printing money is the only way inflation is caused.

Iron law of wages for the win.

[Giovan]

Now, the tax system. The tax system is a screwed up mess. A friend of mine (Yes, really.) pays over 1 million dollars in taxes this Monday.

We have one of the most complex tax systems in the world. And one of the highest. The government uses taxes to control the American people. They reward people for doing what they think is right by giving them tax breaks. They punish people for using their money in the free market in any way that they find isn't what they want.

America needs a flatter tax system.

[Giovan]

Oh boy, a tough guy. I'm too scared!

Have any questions?

[Iban]

Very true. While I'm on that subject, let's cover welfare, shall we.
Note: If a conservitive attacks welfare, as I'm about to do, every demo-cat is going to start an appeal to pity logical fallacy. If you of you does such, I will ignore you entirely. Just saying.

Welfare is obama taking money from hard working people, through taxes, and giving it to whoever he pleases. He thinks providing from them and not teaching them to work will somehow help the free market. That's him thinking socialism works. History has proven that it doesn't.

Your ego has a stench that can be detected three miles away.

If I didn't actually have to go to work in a few minutes, I would sit here and debunk everything you say systematically and flawlessly. The problem is, I'm not just a mouthpiece for my parents and I do have to go out and make stuff happen for myself.

Now, the tax system. The tax system is a screwed up mess. A friend of mine (Yes, really.) pays over 1 million dollars in taxes this Monday.

We have one of the most complex tax systems in the world. And one of the highest. The government uses taxes to control the American people. They reward people for doing what they think is right by giving them tax breaks. They punish people for using their money in the free market in any way that they find isn't what they want.

America needs a flatter tax system.

Just know that I grossed $332.19 last week (it was a slow week). $24.93 of that went to income taxes, $13.95 to social security, and $4.81 to medicare. I have no problem paying into these programs or supporting my community.

This combined is $43.69, or 13% of my total income. This is 13% of not much. $40 is something I could spend on food. However, 50% of $10,000,000 in personal income is a stuffton, and chances are they won't starve a few days if they don't get that money.

[Night Fox]

That's gross, Iban.

[Mr. Wallet]

Troll accomplished! My OP was just as loving stupid and nonsensical as the one on republicans - I just edited a copypaste - and people are still chomping at the bit. Seriously what the hell are you guys even talking about.

Also not that I'm getting into a political discussion about how things SHOULD be, but the US's corporate tax is among the highest in the industrialized world, while the individual rates are fairly modest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg
might wanna check your facts iban, derp  

[Giovan]

they won't starve a few days if they don't get that money.

And here lies the problem. You still simply don't understand the free market. You are supposed to get the money you earn. The federal government is not a good thing by nature. Taxes are not a good thing by nature. The founding fathers understood that. The only reason we have taxes at all are to support the small (lulz) paychecks of government employees (Ho boy. I'll get to that later.) and the army. You are starting your thinking off with the socialistic ideas of "The government should take all they can without me dieing." Now tell me , where do you think that money actually goes? Millions of it go to people who choose to not work. They choose to not work and get wellfare from the government. You say you're going to work today. You say you made over 300$ last week. About 50$ of 300$ is about one sixth of your income. One sixth of your income to go wherever the government chooses. That happens with almost every American.

Socialism = bad. M'Kay?

Offtopic: Figures I'd be arguing with Iban about politics.

Troll accomplished! My OP was just as loving stupid and nonsensical as the one on republicans - I just edited a copypaste - and people are still chomping at the bit. Seriously what the hell are you guys even talking about.

Also not that I'm getting into a political discussion about how things SHOULD be, but the US's corporate tax is among the highest in the industrialized world, while the individual rates are fairly modest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg
might wanna check your facts iban, derp.

IDC, I do this stuff. And I was about to mention that tax bit.

[Giovan]

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner and the bill for all comes to $100.
 
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
 
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing like they do now with the present income tax structure.
 
The fifth would pay $1.
 
The sixth would pay $3.
 
The seventh would pay $7.
 
The eighth would pay $12.
 
The ninth would pay $18.
 
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59 of the bill.
 
So that is what the ten men decide to do.
 
The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you all are such good customers I am going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20". Dinner for the 10 men now costs just $80...
 
The group still wanted to pay the bill the same way that they paid their taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six men -- the Paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everybody would get his "Fair Share"?
 
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to eat their meal…
 
So, the restaurant owner suggested it would be fair to reduce each mans bill roughly the same amount; and proceeded to work out the amounts each man would pay.
 
So, the restaurant owner suggested it would be fair to reduce each mans bill roughly the same amount; and proceeded to work out the amounts each man would pay.
 
The fifth, like the first four now paid nothing (100% savings).
 
The sixth man now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings)
 
The seventh man now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings)
 
The eight man now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings)
 
The ninth man now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings)
 
The tenth man now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings)
 
Each of the six was better off then before. And the first four continued to eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings…
 
"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man "but he got $10"…
 
"Yeah, that’s right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. Its unfair that he got ten times more than me!?"
 
"That’s true", shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
 
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploit’s the poor!"
 
The nine men surrounded the tenth man and beat him up…
 
The next night the Tenth man did not show up for dinner, so the Nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half the bill!
 
 And that Boys & Girls, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highes taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start eating overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier…

Good stuff, here.