Freedom of speech suppressed at the Jefferson Memorial

[Trifax]

This video, as posted by Night Fox just a bit up the page here, clearly shows they went there to richard around on purpose to get arrested and 'start a movement.'

They're not richarding around, they're demonstrating an unjust law in a perfectly reasonable way. When you break the situation down, demonstrations such as this one are being handled the same as every other non-violent petition. Usually ending in violence, like in the mid to late 20th century. Particularly the segregation demonstrations and the such.

Though they did push the police officers as it went on, it was because they believe it's an unjust law. Even though most people may not want to/have any reason to dance in a memorial, it should still be within a person's right to do so. It's not obtrusive or disturbing in any way.

Bump.

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[Oasis]

They're not richarding around, they're demonstrating an unjust law in a perfectly reasonable way. When you break the situation down, demonstrations such as this one are being handled the same as every other non-violent petition. Usually ending in violence, like in the mid to late 20th century. Particularly the segregation demonstrations and the such.

Though they did push the police officers as it went on, it was because they believe it's an unjust law. Even though most people may not want to/have any reason to dance in a memorial, it should still be within a person's right to do so. It's not obtrusive or disturbing in any way.

Bump.

It disturbs me. Now what?

[Trifax]

Also, not to mention the right to petition.

[Nymethus]

It disturbs me. Now what?

Well, they could say you disturb them by standing there and being ugly, so you have to GTFO.
Reasonable, right?

[Oasis]

Well, they could say you disturb them by standing there and being ugly, so you have to GTFO.
Reasonable, right?

Of course. 'Cept no.

I was just pushing Trifax's metaphorical buttons, I stand with what I said earlier.

[Trifax]

I was just pushing Trifax's metaphorical buttons, I stand with what I said earlier.

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[Mr. Wallet]

WOW. Just wow.

I came back for the first time since my post on page 2 and it disturbs me that anyone is still talking about this. I have absolutely nothing to add because my original post still shuts down everything since posted to the contrary that I managed to skim through.

What I really don't believe though is that yuki is anything but a troll. He has spouted the most ignorant, handicapped, mis-informed, self-contradicting bullstuff in the whole topic almost non-stop. I'm pretty sure the only reason we're not still on page 4 is because people keep responding to his trolling. There's a certain point beyond which you shouldn't even bother giving a person a well-reasoned rebuttal, because you're putting way more work into the discussion than they are; yuki has been beyond that point for most of the thread. You guys can stop responding to him. For serious.

And not that you guys are associated with the title of the video (Qwepir notwithstanding), but I am getting pretty loving sick of people using the term "police brutality" to mean anything the police ever do that they disapprove of.

Wait what did I do.

You used the term "police brutality" which, as I explained, cannot apply to anything caught on camera. This is a matter of definition, not opinion. You can believe that the police in the video deserve the death penalty, but they're still not guilty of "police brutality".

[Trifax]

You used the term "police brutality" which, as I explained, cannot apply to anything caught on camera. This is a matter of definition, not opinion. You can believe that the police in the video deserve the death penalty, but they're still not guilty of "police brutality".

What would you consider police brutality?

[Tom Gunn]

Guys, I'm trying to look at the memorial, stop that annoying silent dancing. 

[King Leo]

Only in america...

[Oasis]

Only in america...

Get the forget out.

[Skorpion]

Time for Skorpion to sort this out
People dance, do normal stuff or just do nothing. Cops arrest them for some obscure reason without warning. Simple.

[comr4de]

row row fight tha powah

[Swholli]

This is stupid. Everything Wallet said is correct.

I think the real argument here, or rather, what we should question, is why the law that was passed to make dancing illegal was passed in the first place. What was the context of the law? Why was it deemed necessary?

What needs to be questioned is the background information of this video, which is not presented here. If the law was created, there was probably a purpose behind it, like a previous incident that warranted the law to exist.

Civil disobedience isn't the answer here, judicial review is. Contact legislatures and research the law in question and fight it legally. Revolution should be your last option, just like the way this country was founded.

[Mr. Wallet]

What would you consider police brutality?

The wanton vicious beating of a person in custody, usually while handcuffed, and usually taking place somewhere between the scene of the arrest and the station house. Rodney King is the most readily available example.

See Wikipedia (from which I lifted my definition directly) and the Rodney King tape for a visual example. By contrast, what most people who share links of these kinds of videos and leave youtube comments do, robbing us of a fast term that describes the above, is misuse the term "police brutality" to apply virtually any example of police misconduct and occasionally simply to effective and honest policing applied to laws that they believe to be misguided (as in the OP video) - a case of injustice, of which police misconduct is only a small set (which does not include the OP), of which police brutality is only a small set.

This is a little like calling all of literature "nouns" until we no longer have a fast term to classify words like "bird", except more serious because we're trying to engage in pragmatic and important discourse on the nature of law and justice.