The Rec. Drug Thread - FAQ, Q&A, and general information.

[Narkro555]

It's theorized that the quest for mind-alternation is the fouth drive, like the drive to have love. I can't find a reputable source explaining it at the moment, but heres a short summary.

Sounds plausible, but still the most likely reason is that it's just addictive, not a drive. I don't crave mind-alteration, in fact it's probably not a good idea at all.

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[Azian]

This is not entirely true. Many drugs have a very, very small window of effect before death and can be easily overdosed on. Addiction also plays a factor, you can become addicted to strong drugs after just one use. Your addiction can drive the amount you need to achieve craving satisfaction above the lethal limit.
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Crystal Meth, PCP, and Heroin are almost the only serious drugs that can cause an Overdose. And if you have no self control then you will always want to have more, while the more controlled people will be able to resist the urges. Withdrawls suck. But people can overcome them xD

[TripleNickels]

Crystal Meth, PCP, and Heroin are almost the only serious drugs that can cause an Overdose. And if you have no self control then you will always want to have more, while the more controlled people will be able to resist the urges. Withdrawls suck. But people can overcome them xD

Those are some popular ones, but you're leaving out other popular ones too like cocaine, morphine, nicotine, etc.

[Stocking]

Marijuana causes gynecomastia lol

[yuki]

I'm still confused. If marijuana is so safe, why is it illegal? Aren't laws enacted for a reason?

Nope, the Legal System is far from perfect. Cannabis laws exist solely due to the failing war on drugs (originally banned over xenophobia as well). It doesn't matter that it's not dangerous, the government (and a lot of stupid people) absolutely CLING to the "war on drugs". It's ignorance is all.

We should clearly be focusing more on why people do these harmful drugs in the first place, and prevention of it than throwing them in dumps for the rest of their lives.

Rehab over imprisonment is always favorable.

The thing is, that's what so many people say when they're asked about their drug habits. Correct me if I'm wrong about him, but I remember Yuki talking about how his mother was dying and he did it a lot. It's an easy (and most likely addictive) way to relieve stress.

No, you interpreted that ENTIRELY incorrectly. I didn't start using as a way to ease the pain of my mother dying. By the time I actually started, I was already pretty solid. My mother wasn't around for the last few months, being in the hospital, so we had already unfortunately got used to living without her there. No one begins using Cannabis as a crutch, it's just not how it works. Cannabis is naturally a social drug, it's fun to get high and talk about things and listen to music, it's a peaceful and semi-spiritual experience, not one for avoiding reality - abusers turn to harder drugs like coke, meth, and heroin for that.

Additionally, Cannabis is not addictive. You can stop using it any time you'd like, you don't suffer cravings or withdrawal effects. If I was told I had to stop using right now, it'd be no problem. Of course I'd miss the experience, but I wouldn't be exceptionally bothered, and it's the same for just about everyone I've smoked with.

[Stocking]

Yuki's weed is gonna give him tits lol

[Narkro555]

Rehab over imprisonment is always favorable.

Agreed.

Additionally, Cannabis is not addictive. You can stop using it any time you'd like, you don't suffer cravings or withdrawal effects. If I was told I had to stop using right now, it'd be no problem. Of course I'd miss the experience, but I wouldn't be exceptionally bothered, and it's the same for just about everyone I've smoked with.

I should specify that not everyone does so, but Cannabis can be addictive. It gives you a good experience, and many do use it as a crutch. It might not have bad health affects, but it still remains to be more addictive then others ways people find joy. There's also the part that it might lead to use of other drugs/addictive substances.

Also, I still can't believe that 4 decades have passed without any change in government views on drugs. If the "anti-drug" side is losing, why isn't the government filled with pro-drug people? The government doesn't work that way. The government are the people, not a separate body. If 40 years can pass with little improvement, I find it hard to believe that the pro-drug 'side' is 'winning'.

All those websites (some that aren't even run by the government) say it might have bad health effects. Even the one you suggested showed bad effects. Even if all of them are lying, it doesn't change the fact that it's addictive.

Well anyway, this is just my opinion. I doubt this will do anything.

[TripleNickels]

Cannabis is psychologically addictive, but not by much. When used to treat disorders it can become addictive because of the huge sense of relief that users may crave, even if they're not abusing. You won't have withdrawls or physical cravings, but I bet some time in yukis life he's thought "Man, I really wish I could smoke a bowl right now." I wouldn't really call it a craving, but it's definitely positively reinforced.

[Rekuddo]

Picked up some Mean Green Martian it is STANKY

I paid 20 a gram so I paid for 4 grams but I ended up lucking out and getting a whole extra gram!

[TripleNickels]

Picked up some Mean Green Martian it is STANKY

I paid 20 a gram so I paid for 4 grams but I ended up lucking out and getting a whole extra gram!

Looks like mids to me, pictures aren't the best quality though. Still looks like you overpaid.

[Rekuddo]

Looks like mids to me, pictures aren't the best quality though. Still looks like you overpaid.

When I got these, the buds where still moist and when I opened up the ziplock back it stunk the whole car up. And with just a few hits out of these with my piece you get the equivalent of smoking 2-3 bowls of mids.

[JD]

Common Name: DXM
Chemical Name: Dextromethorphan
Class Of Drugs: cough supressant
Legality: Legal.
Effects/Experience: Well. I can tell you this. Drink a whole bottle and some grapefruit juice.. and you're loving walking on cake.
Why'd You Do It? My friends were doing it. I did it too. ;]
Would You Do It Again? Depends on the situation. If nobody could possibly get hurt.. forget yes.

[brickybob]

Maine

Laws Authorizing Commercial Hemp Cultivation

Year Passed: 2009
Summary: LD 1159, An Act Relating to Industrial Hemp allows a person to grow industrial hemp if that person holds a license issued by the Commissioner of Agriculture, Food and Rural Resources and the hemp is grown under a federal permit in compliance with the conditions of that permit.

 

Laws and Resolutions Authorizing Hemp Research

Year Passed: 2003
Summary: The Maine Legislature approved L.D. 53 directing the Maine Department of Agriculture to "develop a study to explore the feasibility and desirability of industrial hemp production." The legislation requires the Commissioner of Agriculture to "obtain all federal permits necessary to legally grow hemp for fiber or seed production prior to importing any nonsterilized industrial hemp seeds capable of germination into the State." This study remains ongoing.

tl;dr You can grow weed with a permit from the government for sale (ahem, "industrial" use.)

I've decided to move to Maine when I turn 18 (probably wait a bit until I have money, of course.)

Edit:  Oh forget me they meant modified hemp without the high.

[yuki]

but Cannabis can be addictive.

That's not an argument, anything can be psychologically addictive.

and many do use it as a crutch.

Like who?

There's also the part that it might lead to use of other drugs/addictive substances.

Studies show that Cannabis is not a gateway drug, you don't chase a higher high after smoking Cannabis, it doesn't work that way.

Also, I still can't believe that 4 decades have passed without any change in government views on drugs. If the "anti-drug" side is losing, why isn't the government filled with pro-drug people? The government doesn't work that way. The government are the people, not a separate body. If 40 years can pass with little improvement, I find it hard to believe that the pro-drug 'side' is 'winning'.

Our side isn't "winning". Look at LGBT rights; Conservatives do everything they can to hang on to the old world view of the past 40 years, and it was the same in the 1950's with racial segregation. The problem is that there are more stupid people than reasonable people. Nowadays, legislation is passing, though. It's starting with Medical usage, states are passing laws making dispensaries legal, and in around 15 states, Marijuana is decriminalized greatly. Change is coming, albeit slowly, but at least it's coming at all.

Cannabis is psychologically addictive, but not by much. When used to treat disorders it can become addictive because of the huge sense of relief that users may crave, even if they're not abusing. You won't have withdrawls or physical cravings, but I bet some time in yukis life he's thought "Man, I really wish I could smoke a bowl right now." I wouldn't really call it a craving, but it's definitely positively reinforced.

EVERYTHING IS PSYCHOLOGICALLY ADDICTIVE. LITERALLY ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING.

Of course if you quit you'd miss doing it, but you could say the same about videogames, soda, television, or using your computer. Psychological addiction is unhealthy, for anything - just look at WoW addicts. Of course I've thought "Hey it'd be great to smoke a bowlski right now", but I've thought the same about a billion other things, like "Hey, wish I had some Iced Tea right now". I don't understand why you brought that up as some sort of example or argument, saying that people are prone to getting addicted to things isn't really relevant because it can happen with anything.

Common Name: DXM
Chemical Name: Dextromethorphan
Class Of Drugs: cough supressant
Legality: Legal.
Effects/Experience: Well. I can tell you this. Drink a whole bottle and some grapefruit juice.. and you're loving walking on cake.
Why'd You Do It? My friends were doing it. I did it too. ;]
Would You Do It Again? Depends on the situation. If nobody could possibly get hurt.. forget yes.

Goddamn DXM. I've gotten high off of it twice. It's not something you want to do a lot, but it's not exceptionally dangerous. Protip: It's easier to swallow if you chase it immediately with Orange Juice or Apple Juice.

[Night Fox]

is that a
"drugs are illegal, therefore bad" kind of statement

no
I just said that drugs like LSD and weed are illegal

Why'd You Do It? My friends were doing it. I did it too. ;]

that's a really bad excuse