Woah, Atlas, Pengie, quit fighting, please! Remember that what's "good art", what's "messy", what's "interesting", what's "bad", what "looks awful", those are all just opinions. Just because one of you doesn't like this that or the other is no reason to be bashing each other like this! You both have different styles that accomplish different things, I love BOTH of your art styles and both of them are a helluva lot better than anything I will ever amount to. Now will you please agree to disagree, stop going too far to "make a point", and be friends?