Author Topic: How not to argue - A Guide on Arguing and what not to do.  (Read 1159 times)

Conflict, let's face it, you're going to have some sooner or later. It's human instinct to create conflict. There will always be something you don't agree with, something you can't be quiet about or something that bothers you greatly.

Conflict will never, EVER die.

But anyways, conflict leads to arguments. When one party disagrees with another party (or more) about a subject at point, arguments start. There are things you should say, and things you should NEVER, EVER say.

This is a guide on what not do to during an argument.

Now there's going to be a "system" on each step. Here's a guide on what means what.

#x. (The number of the step)
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There will be one or more quotes as an example of the step
This is where the step is described.

So let's get on with this..


#1: Ad Hominem
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I think the audience should be persuaded against your lack of intelligence, sir.
Arguments tend to get bitter. Once you come to terms with insulting, it's common knowledge that somebody's bound to say something hurtful and irrelevant to the argument. This isn't what I'm talking about.

Ad Hominem is short is instead of providing solid and constructive points to the argument, you downright insult the opposing party. This makes you look petty and unintelligent, and in turn makes people stop agreeing with you. If you have nothing relevant to say, don't say anything at all.


#2: Don't re-start finished arguments
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Hey guys, I know it was resolved last week, but I think we should really continue discussing about Pete's ugly-ass dog.
Arguments get resolved eventually so another one may come in terms for later. When the argument is resolved, there is no reason to continue arguing. When somebody wins the argument, they won. You were proven wrong, and there's absolutely nothing else to be said.

When you re-start (or attempt to, anyways) an argument, it looks like you're desperate for either conflict, or you're a sore loser. When the argument isn't going to resolve anything more, it's entirely void and in turn makes all arguing parties look bad.


#3. No matter what, stay relevant to the argument
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Look, I know we're talking about your smelly wig, but I think your children are quite annoying.
Everyone loves a good old-fashioned argument, no matter the person. As long as it has that good drama toasty-flavor to it, and a mix of lies and suspense, things are bound to get a little wacky.

Now, conflicts tend to turn into other things over time. Even if they do, it's always good to stick to the relevant points. Eventually, you're going to lose favor over the community if you don't even know what you're going to say next.


#4. Do not lie
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I think you people should agree with me because I'm an astronaut.
Even the most petty arguments need truth. If you're going to disagree and try to prove somebody wrong, at least try to get your facts straight. Unless the argument is about how truthful you are, lying is only going to get you scolded.

Again, unless you have anything constructive to add, there's no reason to add anything at all.


#5. Don't try to change the subject
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What about his goofy shoes? That's more important than me breaking your television!
Arguments shouldn't be messed with. It gets really, really ugly. Trust me. Now, sometimes people think that matters are more important than others during an argument, and sometimes people even try to throw red herrings just to be able to back out of the loser's circle.

Let's face it, attempting to change the subject is a bad move. It makes you look like a huge coward. Nobody respects a coward these days.


#6. Don't be a sore loser
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I should have gotten the money! It should have been me!
In order for an argument to be won, there has to be a loser. Losing is tough, it means you were wrong or weak, and even both sometimes. Anyone can agree losing's not fun.

Although, no matter how bad it feels, being a sore loser is worse. Sometimes you just have to give up.


#7. Don't drag out arguments
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Guys, keep discussing on the previous thing, it's too soon to talk about the owed money!
Arguments can last however long every party has the attention span to last. They can last five minute, or five years. Sometimes it takes the better man to end it quickly and painlessly before it gets out of hand.

But people, dragging out arguments is just not smart. Why would you even want to argue longer than you already are? You want results, and you want to win. You can't win until you get results, and results only happen when the argument is finished. Dragging it out is only going to up the date of the results.


#8. Man up!
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Stop saying mean things about me!!
I mean it, grow up and mature before even thinking about arguing. If you can't have a good fight without crying, you're doing it correctly. Nobody's going to feel sorry for the little crybaby that isn't getting his way.

So here's a point of advice, if you're not going to be mature about it, you should just walk away and cry it out in some corner. Are you wrong? Then accept the fact that you're not perfect and tough it out. Somebody call you a mean name? They're just words and the affect you in no way possible.


#9. Bribing is not a smart move
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If you agree with me and my family, I'll give you money.
You're going to lose if you can't stand up for yourself. Bribing equals not standing up for yourself. If you can't argue without somebody keeping your argument upright, you don't deserve to win.

Keep your things to yourself, and let the community decide if you're right or a good enough person to support. And finally,


#10. Don't insult the other party's supporters for supporting them
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You're stupid for liking him, and you should just go back home and sit under your covers!
It's their choice, let them choose what they want. If you want support that badly, then earn it. Like before, unless you get a spine, you won't be able to win.

Also, attacking somebody for not agreeing with you also counts as being a coward.



So that's all ten steps. If you're still having trouble, you need to re-educate yourself.


All of OP's post in one simple rule.

#1 Learn to pick your battles. I don't argue much anymore because I know arguments on the internet don't bring any good.

You're implying that underhanded moves will never win an argument, which might be true on some other planet, but underhanded moves is what wins most arguments here on Earth among human beings.

tl;dr : dont be a little bitch.

#11. It takes more than 1 person to argue.
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rarrrww u suck grrrr youre stupid

If someone wants to argue over something stupid (i.e. your shirt sucks), just ignore them and do something better with your time seeing as arguing takes more than 1 person (or personalities if you're that forgeted up).

You're implying that underhanded moves will never win an argument, which might be true on some other planet, but underhanded moves is what wins most arguments here on Earth among human beings.

You've already proved before that you have no common knowledge about how to argue properly, so just be quiet.

This topic is just another attention whore topic by Ike.

This topic is just another attention whore topic by Ike.

#1: Ad HominemArguments tend to get bitter. Once you come to terms with insulting, it's common knowledge that somebody's bound to say something hurtful and irrelevant to the argument. This isn't what I'm talking about.

Ad Hominem is short is instead of providing solid and constructive points to the argument, you downright insult the opposing party. This makes you look petty and unintelligent, and in turn makes people stop agreeing with you. If you have nothing relevant to say, don't say anything at all.


And shard, are you still upset about me banning you at skill's server? You know grudges are unhealthy, right?

You've already proved before that you have no common knowledge about how to argue properly, so just be quiet.

Because you're the authority on proper arguing right?

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Wow that's getting a point across


I just countered your ad hominem with a strawman, see how arguing works?

Because you're the authority on proper arguing right?

Never said I was.

And I don't see what you're countering, as I've already accepted that what I said wasn't necessary and that I hurt a lot of peoples feelings. I even apologized.

I'm not saying that it makes me a better person, it's just that it looks a lot like you're trying to re-start that argument.

So the best I can do is ignore you unless you have anything constructive to say.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2011, 10:59:30 AM by IkeTheGeneric »

You know grudges are unhealthy, right?
They can cause Cancer!

Never said I was.

I've never seen you win an argument, all you do is degenerate into a mess of stupidity until the other party stops arguing with you or say you were wrong and apologize.

Arguing is my hobby, and playing underhanded wins most of the time.

And shard, are you still upset about me banning you at skill's server? You know grudges are unhealthy, right?

I just noticed you countered his ad hominem with a strawman as well, did you not read your own guide?


forget your edit.

And I don't see what you're countering, as I've already accepted that what I said wasn't necessary and that I hurt a lot of peoples feelings. I even apologized.

Apologizing for stupidity only means you're admitting that said stupidity took place, not that it never happened.

I'm not saying that it makes me a better person, it's just that it looks a lot like you're trying to re-start that argument.

You just said:

You've already proved before that you have no common knowledge about how to argue properly, so just be quiet.

What the forget are you doing now?

So the best I can do is ignore you unless you have anything constructive to say.

You're a little bitch is what you are; always backing out of every argument you start because you always start arguments you can't win.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2011, 11:04:30 AM by Stocking »

I've never seen you win an argument, all you do is degenerate into a mess of stupidity until the other party stops arguing with you or say you were wrong and apologize.

Have I ever said I didn't? Just because I'm no good at arguing doesn't mean that I don't know a thing or two on what not to do, reflecting off of my mistakes.


Arguing is my hobby, and playing underhanded wins most of the time.

I really don't understand what you're getting at, still. Are you trying to say you're better than arguing than me?


I just noticed you countered his ad hominem with a strawman as well, did you not read your own guide?

All I asked was if he was still mad about me banning him, thus meaning why he would call me out for 'attention whoring'.

Have I ever said I didn't? Just because I'm no good at arguing doesn't mean that I don't know a thing or two on what not to do, reflecting off of my mistakes.

"Those who can't do, teach." huh?


I really don't understand what you're getting at, still. Are you trying to say you're better than arguing than me?

Just that you're wrong is all.

All I asked was if he was still mad about me banning him, thus meaning why he would call me out for 'attention whoring'.

You're implying that his post is irrational as it would only be motivated by his resentment towards you, which would discredit his post. IE Strawman argument.