Author Topic: Props (DTS bricks) - Why not?  (Read 4445 times)

What's the big deal with props? Why are they the tool of Satan? Is there no way to make them less bad?

If it is a static prop, forget it.
It can be converted to a .blb.
Makes things more efficient.
If it's JVS, then it can stay.

Console spam and glitches when you try to hammer/wand/etc it.

If it is a static prop, forget it.
It can be converted to a .blb.
Makes things more efficient.
If it's JVS, then it can stay.
Nobody is going to do hours of work to make these bricks for me and Destiny's OBJ2BLB is broken.

Console spam and glitches when you try to hammer/wand/etc it.
Wouldn't this be a problem with the script that can be fixed?

Wouldn't this be a problem with the script that can be fixed?

Yeah, but everyone's too busy whining about it to do anything.

Any technical reasons? The script can be fixed.

Any technical reasons? The script can be fixed.

Rendering a whole buch of them lags the server. So I have heard. I personally never had this problem.

Obviously it takes more power to render ~100-200 triangle model as opposed to the usual 8 triangle brick but what is the limit here? The clients computer as usual? How are regular weapons different from there DTS bricks? They're both DTS models but the the brick one is static. Shouldn't weapons take more power to render with all the animations and such?

If it's JVS, then it can stay.
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I tryed to release a set of JVS bricks with no animation, that replicated almost every minecraft block in minecraft a while back

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Ephialtes failed your add-on "Minecraft Pack 1" today for the following reason:

This is just abuse of JVS Content, you\'ve basically re-made the props mod.

This means it is no longer available for download and has been removed from the online and ingame file listings. Furthermore all users of your add-on have been notified of the reason of failure and will be encouraged to remove it depending on the severity.

Sorry about that,
RTB Mod Bot

Demian, Do you know how script or not? I want to know.

I tried to port at least the Household props to JVS. See my thread about this.
But I failed in doing so, because you can't scale or rotate models in JVS.
You can make the prop models show up as JVS but you can't make them the right size unless I figure it out or someone else does.
My results so far:
« Last Edit: August 11, 2011, 06:17:50 PM by Kiwi »

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I tryed to release a set of JVS bricks with no animation, that replicated almost every minecraft block in minecraft a while back

Why would you have a JVS with no animation?
I meant if it was a JVS with animations, then it could stay.

I always found it to be a double standard in this respect.

JVS is a model parented to a brick. So are the props.
JVS causes console spam (during startup, as it repeatedly re-registers the output event to add restrictions for doors). People bash props for this.
JVS is made by Trader. Props were not.
People love JVS. People hate props.
See what I'm getting at with the last two points?

Just like Ephialtes' shotgun is overpowered as forget and doesn't scale projectiles with the player (this is, in fact, a bug), but people whine about every other weapon being overpowered or having some minor bug, because it's not made by Ephialtes.

People also have some pretty stupid ideas about props, for example, that a single prop places the CPU strain of 10-20 players on the server. This is stupid. Props are a static mesh, non-animated, and place no CPU strain on the server whatsoever. A player on the other hand, has the player simulation to run. How is one static object as much of a hog as 10-20 non-static ones?
Or of course, the ever classic one prop is equal to a hundred bricks. It's one brick (that isn't rendering), and for smaller props, something like 30 faces, which is equivalent to five regular bricks in faces. So it's equal to six bricks, or five not counting the non-rendering brick it's parented to. It is, unfortunately, just a conditioning that Blocklanders tend to have. Some big name player says something is bad and the rest of the community grabs their instruments of idiocy and jumps straight on the bandwagon for the grand national tour, making up their own ideas about why it's bad all along the way.

I'm not saying props are good - I like the idea, of having more detailed objects for home decoration, but I would prefer they were in blb format. Unfortunately, nobody has any decent tools to assist in blb creation - Badspot having failed to make something like an exporter or such for it is just another example of his never-ending crusade against modders of his own game. Or just apathy.

I always found it to be a double standard in this respect.

JVS is a model parented to a brick. So are the props.
JVS causes console spam (during startup, as it repeatedly re-registers the output event to add restrictions for doors). People bash props for this.
JVS is made by Trader. Props were not.
People love JVS. People hate props.
See what I'm getting at with the last two points?

Just like Ephialtes' shotgun is overpowered as forget and doesn't scale projectiles with the player (this is, in fact, a bug), but people whine about every other weapon being overpowered or having some minor bug, because it's not made by Ephialtes.

People also have some pretty stupid ideas about props, for example, that a single prop places the CPU strain of 10-20 players on the server. This is stupid. Props are a static mesh, non-animated, and place no CPU strain on the server whatsoever. A player on the other hand, has the player simulation to run. How is one static object as much of a hog as 10-20 non-static ones?
Or of course, the ever classic one prop is equal to a hundred bricks. It's one brick (that isn't rendering), and for smaller props, something like 30 faces, which is equivalent to five regular bricks in faces. So it's equal to six bricks, or five not counting the non-rendering brick it's parented to. It is, unfortunately, just a conditioning that Blocklanders tend to have. Some big name player says something is bad and the rest of the community grabs their instruments of idiocy and jumps straight on the bandwagon for the grand national tour, making up their own ideas about why it's bad all along the way.

I'm not saying props are good - I like the idea, of having more detailed objects for home decoration, but I would prefer they were in blb format. Unfortunately, nobody has any decent tools to assist in blb creation - Badspot having failed to make something like an exporter or such for it is just another example of his never-ending crusade against modders of his own game. Or just apathy.
M has spoken.
And about that crusade part, I'd say it's both.

Why would you have a JVS with no animation?
I meant if it was a JVS with animations, then it could stay.
Does the grass block in minecraft have any animation? no, does the dirt block have any animation? no