Author Topic: E=MC² is no longer valid  (Read 2916 times)

Time travel has already been set as possible in theory.
Not to the past.




We didn't do maths today but I guess I will understand this soon.

We didn't do maths today but I guess I will understand this soon.
In a few years.

Maybe.

So wait, if past time travel is now rendered possible due to our theory expanded, then that means...

THERE ARE TIME TRAVELERS AMONG US.

I don't get it?
E represents energy
m represents mass
c represents speed of light

E=mc2 means energy equals mass times the speed of light squared

In laymans terms iirc it means that anything massive would need infinite energy to accelerate to the speed of light.

Addendum: Even when we do, it would be mostly useless (at least for now). There is no reason you would need to be going this fast on earth, and using it in space would make collisions with even the smallest objects incredibly dangerous.

How are we supposed to get something massive up to that speed anyway?

Mass effect fields

*shades*

How are we supposed to get something massive up to that speed anyway?
Warp Drives and Energy shields

E represents energy
m represents mass
c represents speed of light

E=mc2 means energy equals mass times the speed of light squared

In laymans terms iirc it means that anything massive would need infinite energy to accelerate to the speed of light.

Are you sure? I'm fairly certain that E=mc2 is what was used to figure out how nuclear bombs and such would work.
Energy produced = total mass converted squared, E=MC2.

I'm probably wrong though, since I sucked at maths to the point where I stopped bothering

Seriously though. This makes life way more interesting. Before it was a bummer because I was always like: "backwards time travel can't exist because we never turned a machine on until recently, and even then we can only really send back particles."

But now you're telling me it may someday be possible to accelerate large objects at the speed of light, now it may be possible to create worm holes into the past. And then there's always been this guy.

Now every time I see someone weird or out of place, I can muse to myself: "they must be from the future and aren't used to our primitive culture."

As a person with an expansive and uncontrolled imagination, this makes my life a thousand times more interesting.

Warp Drives and Energy shields
a magnetic field is the best you could do, and that would just block some types of debris. if you're flying at an ice cube at even a thousandth of c, it'll utterly annihilate a ship.

Seriously though. This makes life way more interesting. Before it was a bummer because I was always like: "backwards time travel can't exist because we never turned a machine on until recently, and even then we can only really send back particles."

But now you're telling me it may someday be possible to accelerate large objects at the speed of light, now it may be possible to create worm holes into the past. And then there's always been this guy.

Now every time I see someone weird or out of place, I can muse to myself: "they must be from the future and aren't used to our primitive culture."

As a person with an expansive and uncontrolled imagination, this makes my life a thousand times more interesting.
any form of time travel to the past royally forgets up causality, which would make any attempts at science utterly pointless because science relies on predictions and cause-effect. if a cup of water could boil in your hand because 5 minutes in the future you stick it over a fire, then something is seriously loving wrong with the universe.
time travel to the future is perfectly possible, just go really loving fast and bam you can come out a day later from your ship where a thousand years have passed by on earth
« Last Edit: September 23, 2011, 01:47:42 PM by Saber15 »

You can't say that backwards time travel isn't possible just because of cause and effect.

Cause and effect and merely inventions on the human mind, the way we perceive time. I can't say that I know it for sure, because our universe is far to vast and complex to say that something doesn't exist just because we haven't seen it (God withstanding, or rather, the Christian God doesn't exist, I know that for sure). It's very possible that there are beings that live in the fourth dimension and die before they are born. It's quite possible beings like Dr. Manhattan exist and can perceive time in a way that he can see past the events of the present. Hell, there's a possibility that out there is Galifrey and the Doctor and his TARDIS are traveling as we speak. We don't know what's out there, and we can never claim we do.

Physics are a set principle, but then, physics can be changed and broken. For instance, at one point in time we used to think that the atom was indivisible and the smallest possible thing in our universe. A hundred years ago if you argued it could be split, people like you would pop and explain how it wouldn't be possible. And then we split it and destroyed half of Japan. Twice.

Science evolves. That's what makes it such a wonderful field to use as understanding things. Saying something isn't possible because you know in your heart it isn't is like saying God exists because the Bible tells you so. Cause and effect can still exist, by the way, just not in a sense we see it as. We see it as cause leading to the effect, but then what if you just did it in reverse? What if you caused something to happen before it happens? You're still causing something and the effect is still there, just the time, or at least what we conceive as time, wouldn't match up.

Edit: Time is like a big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2011, 03:01:09 PM by Swholli »

E=MC² actually isn't correct. That's the Newtonian equation. Einstein's version with special relativity modifies it a bit.

Either way the old equations would still be valid in most situations.