v20 problem - Automatic file downloading

[-Jetz-]

If Maddy banned me for this topic alone, he would prove exactly the point I am trying to make.

That isn't gonna stop him from doing it, even if you actually were making a valid point.

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[Jorgur]

its not being scared, its called respecting him. this is not a place where the owner has to earn your respect, if he thinks you dont have it he can boot you.
i dont HAVE to like anything he says and does, but my criticisms should be done carefully.

Suit yourself. If you want to respect him, go ahead and do that. I for one, will not.

That isn't gonna stop him from doing it, even if you actually were making a valid point.

Of couse not, but it would be really hilarious if he banned me over an argument that he had started himself.

[Marcem]

Suit yourself. If you want to respect him, go ahead and do that. I for one, will not.

Why are you making such a big deal out of this?  You complain that you cannot break the game, so he says he doesn't want you breaking things.  Would you complain if a restaurant wouldn't allow you to piss in your drink?

[Bisjac]

so are you going to quit playing bl then? i mean you arent getting whats deserved to you, and you hate the devs and mods.
why so self destructing?

[-Jetz-]

Of couse not, but it would be really hilarious if he banned me over an argument that he had started himself.

Looking over the thread, it seems the bannable content started after he left, about right here:

And it is obvious to me that all you madspot fanboys always follow the direction of his piss, just like you always have.

This one was also pretty dumb, on your part:

The point I am trying to make is that he only acts like an starfish because we are allowing him to. If more players had the balls to tell him to go to hell, this forum would actually be a nice place.

If you'd just stuck to claims that there wasn't any call for senseless name-calling, you'd probably be fine, and you would have a point. Instead you insult anyone who doesn't share your opinion and call for the Blockland Forums Uprising.

[Jorgur]

Why are you making such a big deal out of this?  You complain that you cannot break the game, so he says he doesn't want you breaking things.  Would you complain if a restaurant wouldn't allow you to piss in your drink?

You could also compare it to salting your food.

so are you going to quit playing bl then? i mean you arent getting whats deserved to you, and you hate the devs and mods.
why so self destructing?

Let me tell you something that will come in handy in a few years when you grow up, in a manner easy to understand.

Blockland, like any other game that is sold for money, is made for profit. Blockland is, in fact, a business. A true fact with people doing business is that they will never do anything unless it assists in making money.

Then why are businesses trying to please people? Because they are afraid people will complain. A group of angry people complaining prevents them from making money.

From this we can draw this final conclusion: Complaining encourages businesses to please people. If you never complain, the business will stop pleasing people.

And this, in short, is the reason why I make a big deal out of the main administrator replying with juvenile teenage insults.

[Nasoa]

Let me tell you something that will come in handy in a few years when you grow up, in a manner easy to understand.

Blockland, like any other game that is sold for money, is made for profit. Blockland is, in fact, a business. A true fact with people doing business is that they will never do anything unless it assists in making money.

Then why are businesses trying to please people? Because they are afraid people will complain. A group of angry people complaining prevents them from making money.

From this we can draw this final conclusion: Complaining encourages businesses to please people. If you never complain, the business will stop pleasing people.

And this, in short, is the reason why I make a big deal out of the main administrator replying with juvenile teenage insults.

What you fail to realize is that no one will listen to your handicapped comments.

[Jorgur]

What you fail to realize is that no one will listen to your handicapped comments.

This is not handicapped, this is one of the basic facts of life.

[Nitramtj]

Let's brown townyze the situation:

You're just going to have to suffer the tedium of properly renaming your modifications instead of raping the default game files.  Sorry.

Yes he could have said this in a less rude way, but it really wasn't that bad in the first place.

That's ok, I can live with that. Just had to make sure there wasn't en easier way.

Good response!

There is a rumor going around that you can prevent files being replaced by setting them to read-only. Apparently Badspot doesn't like this and silently deletes topics that mention it. Maybe if you pack the add-on to a zip-file and set it to read only you could stop the file downloading and prevent all this silliness?

You just made a particularly offensive accusation, all formalities can be dropped at this point.

If you do that, you WILL forget up the game.  What's going to happen is I'm going to have to make an update to one of the default add-ons and it's not going to work and everyone is going to blame me when it is really 100% your dumbass fault.  All I want to be able to do is update my own goddamn loving addons and friends like you ruin it all because you can't be bothered to learn how to program stuff properly.  Go ahead and do it but don't be surprised when future versions of the game tell you to forget off because your files are read-only.  

I can see how you were offended by this, but he's got the right to be blunt now.

See it this way. Your goal is to make sure everyone get the updates they should. I understand that viewpoint, of course. You do this by making sure the default add-ons cannot be changed. I will try to explain why I think this is inconvenient for us hosts.

To modify a default add-on you have to un-zip it to a folder first. This ensures the modified add-on is not overwritten when a Blockland update is released (In v20, you can do this by extracting, renaming, then disabling the original add-on). Then you remove the zip to make sure your modified add-on is the one that runs.
(Of course, you could also write a script that changes datablocks, but that is not my preferred way of doing things.)

As of now, the launcher automatically downloads the original .zip files back into the add-ons folder. This means the files in the zip will be executed in place of the modified files.

What exactly is there to gain from this? The people who modify default files will never notice if a default add-on is updated anyway, since it will always be disabled!

If I may suggest some solutions:
1. Make automatic file downloading optional. This could be simply a somewhat secret added parameter. This does no real damage since the only ones to use it will be server hosts who will either be using the read-only workaround or have default add-ons disabled.
2. Have Blockland execute files inside folders by default, instead of the ones within zips.

Badspot has made his point, this doesn't really deal with his concern directly.

I am not ranting, I am merely trying to help improve the quality of this game. It's too bad that you apparently had a bad day, but this is really no way to be addressing one of your paying customers.

Who are you to tell him how he should treat others? I'd be pissed of from here.

Alternatively, you could pull your head out of your ass and make your add-ons properly.  

This is insulting, but at this point you've proven to be dense on this issue.

Do you enjoy being a richard to everybody? This is constructive criticism, not an attempt to insult you, as you obviously have difficulty understanding.

This is more nagging than constructive criticism. You can't make these points until you take care of the issue that Badspot presented (making the system idiot and future proof.)

All you have to do when you want to make your own add on is make your own add-on.  The game allows you to do this.  You can make your own version of the add-on and disable the original.  You can copy an add-on and rename it.  You can make your own version of an add-on without overwriting the original.  Do you understand this?

You are deliberately resisting the idea of doing things correctly in favor of doing them wrong. 

You got a serious response! This one wasn't insulting at all! You could have used this as an opportunity to redeem the situation.
The bolded part is what Badspot sees you doing. Remember what I said before this quote? You have to give a legitimate response to his previous concern otherwise it's nagging.

By this point you seem pretty angry, but I don't think you were treated that bad at all.

If Maddy banned me for this topic alone, he would prove exactly the point I am trying to make.

Jorgur I respect you, but you're really being thick and stupid in this case. Maybe it's even just a bad communication over the internet, but if I was Badspot, you'd be banned by now for being so thick on this issue.

Anyways I'll take my leave now, I only took the time to say this because I like what you've done in game Jorgur and look forward to seeing you in there again, but I'm just embarrassing myself now by still being here.

[Bisjac]

lecture on good business

i dont know the game industry. but i do know E-customer service.

you are a very small minority. and you do not represent money that badspot is making or losing. nor do you speak for a group he should be concerned about.
the goal of making money is to infinitely improve your product or service's efficiency and quality. so new generation of buyers have something to be excited about.
older customers shouldn't be concerned unless those things drop. and they haven't.

this update was just that. an improvement. i guess its a matter of opinion, but yours is wrong.

[Sulfate]

Jorgur broke stuff purposely and then comes here and whines. He gets an answer, and then goes on a rant about how Badspot is the biggest meanie face ever oh wahh I payed $20 that makes me entitled to complain!!!

what a loving baby.

[Jorgur]

Let's brown townyze the situation:Yes he could have said this in a less rude way, but it really wasn't that bad in the first place.Good response!You just made a particularly offensive accusation, all formalities can be dropped at this point.I can see how you were offended by this, but he's got the right to be blunt now.Badspot has made his point, this doesn't really deal with his concern directly.Who are you to tell him how he should treat others? I'd be pissed of from here.This is insulting, but at this point you've proven to be dense on this issue.This is more nagging than constructive criticism. You can't make these points until you take care of the issue that Badspot presented (making the system idiot and future proof.)You got a serious response! This one wasn't insulting at all! You could have used this as an opportunity to redeem the situation.
The bolded part is what Badspot sees you doing. Remember what I said before this quote? You have to give a legitimate response to his previous concern otherwise it's nagging.

By this point you seem pretty angry, but I don't think you were treated that bad at all.
Jorgur I respect you, but you're really being thick and stupid in this case. Maybe it's even just a bad communication over the internet, but if I was Badspot, you'd be banned by now for being so thick on this issue.

Anyways I'll take my leave now, I only took the time to say this because I like what you've done in game Jorgur and look forward to seeing you in there again, but I'm just embarrassing myself now by still being here.

To be honest, I think that was a really biased post, but I will keep it at that, because I also respect you as a player. Thanks for complementing me on my work! My RPG will keep its steady improvement in the months to come, and I hope to see you in it. ;)

Jorgur broke stuff purposely and then comes here and whines. He gets an answer, and then goes on a rant about how Badspot is the biggest meanie face ever oh wahh I payed $20 that makes me entitled to complain!!!

what a loving baby.

If you had properly read what I just told you about the business fact of life, you might understand how complaints like this are directly connected to the improvement of Blockland.

[Bisjac]

complaining about something =/= a request. your ideas aren't any more important just because you are a customer.
nor do requests have to be taken anyways to make improvements. maybe badspot thinks all our ideas are stupid. but i bet he still reads them.

[Kalphiter]

I have never seen Badspot post so much and be angry.

[stuntman021]

is there any way at all to keep the game from overwriting files apart from the read-only trick
i won't blame anyone but myself if i break my game, but i am curious if there actually is