Author Topic: House to vote on affirming ‘In God We Trust’ as national motto  (Read 9963 times)


Dat separation of Church and State.

That says nothing about the country being founded on religion.

If only he had actually read the entire Declaration of Independence, he would have found that the Declaration of Independence didn't actually found the nation. It even says so in the document.

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We, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by the Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, Free and Independent States; that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political Connection between them and the State of Great-Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of the divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

This renounces their ties to the Crown and expresses their solidarity in their fight for independence. At this point the states are not unified, other than in name and in their common struggle. Note that each state still has the right to independently raise taxes and levy war. If it was left at that then we would have ended up with 13 different countries.

The nation would not be formed until the Constitution was written. The first line of the Constitution clearly states in the words of our Founders the fundamental principle of our nation.

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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The Declaration of Independence does not create a nation. It even says so in the title "Declaration of Independence," not "Declaration of Nation." The Declaration of Independence is literally a list of all the complaints against England and a statement of the intent to break away from the country and form and independent nation. It's important to note that at no point does the Declaration of Independence form a nation.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2011, 12:20:14 PM by Wedge »

???

Try understanding what it says, rather than just spot the words "God" and "Creator" and assume it means what you want it to mean.

Also, I found a funny quote floating around about this motto:

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If you really want to see how pathetic this motto is, try and imagine what its opposite might be: "We fix our own problems."

Try understanding what it says, rather than just spot the words "God" and "Creator" and assume it means what you want it to mean.

Also, I found a funny quote floating around about this motto:

Either one is pathetic IMO.

/ninja

The United States was founded on religion, loving deal with it.
The United States was founded by europeans, loving deal with it

Oh that's just wonderful. Why don't we just adorn public buildings with "In Men's Butts We Put Our snakees",
laughed incredibly hard at this

In any case, relax guys. It's just a sentence that you are in no way obligated to believe.

In any case, relax guys. It's just a sentence that you are in no way obligated to believe.
great attitude.

I'm going to put up signs in my yard that say "SOLDIERS BURN IN HELL".
oh but in any case, relax. It's just a sentence that you are in no way obligated to believe.


great attitude.

I'm going to put up signs in my yard that say "SOLDIERS BURN IN HELL".
oh but in any case, relax. It's just a sentence that you are in no way obligated to believe.
That is MUCH different. I don't even know why you think you are making a point with this post.

That is MUCH different. I don't even know why you think you are making a point with this post.

I was just pointing out the handicapness of your post :) don't worry, maybe someday you'll have a coherent thought process
« Last Edit: November 01, 2011, 12:57:18 PM by Fredulus »

I'm pointing out that you have no point, idiot. No stuff I'm not obligated to believe in god, but that doesn't mean the government has the right to preach their religious views everywhere.
If you think I'm trying to say the government "has the right to preach their religious views everywhere" then you are way off. All I'm saying is that it is unnecessary to complain about a sentence that in no way affects your beliefs you misinterpreting moron. Not to mention the sentence has been around for AGES. I will however, state that I disagree strongly with this anyway. I thought the point was to separate religion from state.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2011, 01:18:54 PM by TeslaCoil »

I don't say "under God" during the daily pledge of allegiance.

Deal with it.

Our national motto should be forget bitches get money but meh

Anyway yeah Im against this, everyone going "god you athiest need 2 stop complaining"

Well uh, what about the christians complaining that its not our motto?