House to vote on affirming ‘In God We Trust’ as national motto

[Mysteroo]

Ok, here's my case.

Believe it or not, Separation of church and state does not exist in the constitution. The only place it ever exists is in a letter the only non-christian founding father wrote (by founding father I mean those who helped form/sign the declaration of independence). Thomas Jefferson. And even he would be shocked by how America is today (as far as religion goes.) The U.S.A was founded a Christian country, on Christian standards and morals. The Bible was originally inspiration for how America would run. At one time, in God we did trust. And America's religious origin seems important to me, and even if I was atheist, I would not want to omit God from America's history. (Or in this case, it's motto.)

Also, even if Separation of church and state was in the constitution, it's separation of church and state. Not from.
All this means is that America can't be like some areas where the church basically runs the country.

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[otto-san]

"Separation of Church and State" to me means "Religion shouldn't interfere with how we enforce, carry out, or create laws.".

edit:

Changing the nation's motto will NOT cause direct interference with how the government works and griping about it just because it has some sort of religious meaning is so stupid I can't even put it into words.

[Mysteroo]

Lemme repeat
Edit: oh nvm, got confused, so I probly didn't need to repeat.

Separation of Church and state (notice it's of, not from) isn't even in the constitution. It was in a letter Thomas Jefferson, one of the only non-christian founding fathers, wrote. And all it means is America can't run like some countries, where the Church basically runs the country. The church, in places like England a long time ago, used to be almost like government.

[otto-san]

The church basically could be considered a government, yeah.

[*Magick* Mage]

separation of church and state

Has little to do with this. "God" and "Religion" are not synonymous, there is no benefit to anyone in affirming the motto. The Establishment Clause (The actual constitution base of the argument - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."), at its base, was to stop the nation from becoming a theocracy, as the Puritans that did precede them, or from one national religion becoming recognized above others, much like the Church of England was in Britain or the Catholic church was in...well, Europe circa 500-1400 AD. Over time, there have been a number of court rulings recognizing a broader sense of the clause, considering it to be more a safeguard from religious persecution and prevention of government endorsement in addition to establishment of a church state or a national/state church. The "Wall of Separation" was not intended to stop anything remotely religious/spiritual from being a part of the government, but to stop it from being the government and or having a direct power on such.

Ultimately, though, America really has many more concerns than the national motto at this moment and "affirming" something that already is seems to be a bit silly and time consuming.

[Supersylox]

I'm an atheist

Oh stuff am I in the wrong country?

[otto-san]

I'm an atheist

Oh stuff am I in the wrong country?

Any country where you can have a religious mindset freely would be the right country for you I guess.


Or one strictly athiest.

[TeslaCoil]

I'm an atheist

Oh stuff am I in the wrong country?

here you are entitled to what you believe. The pushing shoving and arguing are only the cause of the stupid sides of Religion and Anti Religion.

[james4115]

intelligence

hm okay

sure this wouldn't turn christianity into the masterful ruler of america

it does seem kind of silly to spend time on this though

[Supersylox]

here you are entitled to what you believe. The pushing shoving and arguing are only the cause of the stupid sides of Religion and Anti Religion.

Then can my god be the flying spaghetti monster?

Any country where you can have a religious mindset freely would be the right country for you I guess.


Or one strictly athiest.

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[-Pablo-]

“As our nation faces challenging times, it is appropriate for Members of Congress to waste our time coming up with a motto."

[otto-san]

Then can my god be the flying spaghetti monster?

Yes.

Go out and spread the word of the almighty flying spaghetti monster!

[TeslaCoil]

Then can my god be the flying spaghetti monster?

[*Magick* Mage]

hm okay

sure this wouldn't turn christianity into the masterful ruler of america

it does seem kind of silly to spend time on this though

It took me 5 minutes to realize I didn't say the word "intelligence" and you were complimenting my words. :U

[Supersylox]

Yes.

Go out and spread the word of the almighty flying spaghetti monster!

I shall raise a new church of the flying spaghetti monster!