345/754 statistics are made up on the spot
Then I guess according to you this one falls into the 45.8% of statistics that are not made up on the spot. It turns out that the 0.3% was a number derived from clinical trials, meaning they gave the pill to people and then counted the actual number of pregnancies.
There's always a margin of error
Yes. That's exactly what I said. A 0.3% margin of error. Is that what you were trying to point out or did you mean something else? I'm not sure I understand.
Abstinence I don't support either, but it's ideal for those people who think you can't get pregnant after just once.
It is true that the only sure fire way to prevent a pregnancy is to not have love (or have yourself sterilized I suppose?) but I don't think it's realistic to expect it of people, nor do I think it's fair.
Using contraceptives correctly and practicing safe loveual behavior we can make the chances of becoming pregnant or spreading STIs extremely minimal. For the people who still think it's too risky to publicly endorse then I'm curious why they aren't interested in banning similarly risky behaviors like crossing the street or driving in the rain.
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Keep in mind correlation does not imply causation. Are the children more likely to die because they are being born to a single mother or because they live in poverty? Could the issue be that more single mothers live in poverty? It occurs to me that you could better use this data to make an argument in favor of more welfare rather than an argument against unmarried people having love.
How the forget was this derailed into an abortion argument?
The forums amazes me lately.
That's an easy question, it's because you are mistaken. I'm happy to report that this thread is firmly on the rails. The issues of abortion, abstinence, love-education, teen pregnancies, etc, are all
directly and intimately related and you
cannot have a conversation about any one of them without bringing up the others.
The paragraphs below are not addressed at you Slugger, but you're the last quote in my list of responses so I had to let you know.
The issue I have with the "well you knew the consequences, you shouldn't have had love" argument is that you are also saying "and now your punishment is that you have to take care of this baby." I don't think that's an appropriate way to view human life. The fire department doesn't leave you up in a burning building and tell you it's your fault for living in a building that had a high risk of suddenly catching fire. They get you out.
It's important to note that this isn't an argument in favor of abortion. This is an argument against the idea that just because a behavior is risky it should be banned. That's just a distraction from the real issue. The conversation that we as a society
should be having as a society is how do we reduce abortions. It may not have occurred to some of you, but there is actually something that both pro-life and pro-choice people agree on. Abortion is terrible and it is unfortunate that it happens. Pro-choice people do not believe people should have more unprotected love and get pregnant just so we can abort the fetus and televise it as some twisted new national sport. If the medical need for abortion was eliminated entirely both pro-life and pro-choice people would be equally satisfied.
All of this religious and political bullstuff that has wedged its way into the debate has really obfuscated the debate and made it confusing for most people. I'll try and set it straight here. Both sides have identified a problem, unwanted pregnancies. The difference between the two sides is one side believes that terminating a pregnancy is an acceptable way of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy while the other side believes that this is unacceptable. However; if there were no unwanted pregnancies then it wouldn't matter.
I do agree that it is worth considering the moral and social implications of both positions on the issue. I also think that we have our priorities in the wrong order. While the debate is wroth having, we should focus on the root cause of the problem first, not the result of it. If you ban the termination of pregnancies then you still leave behind the issue of unwanted pregnancies. If you fix the problem of people having unwanted pregnancies then the issue of terminating pregnancies goes away entirely.
