Author Topic: STRONG - Rick Perry <333333  (Read 7928 times)

yes, you are done. i can await real points that deserve discussion from others.

I would like to see proof of this
Well first of all, I thought it was actually common knowledge. I mean you can look up the numbers if you want (I actually did but I'm not going to share them because I don't care and it's not even a valid argument, see below), but I think if you thought about it you would see the truth of it. How many buildings do you know where blown up by Muslims? Two? Now Christians? What about the dozens of abortion clinics they blew up during the 80s, the Oklahoma City Bombing, etc?

In any case, it doesn't matter because my statement is not even a fair statement. If someone had said this to me in an argument I would have immediately attacked it, there's so many blatant errors in it. I mean, what do you consider a fair metric for religious terrorism in the United States? Number of buildings blown up? Value of damage? Number of people killed? Number of incidents? Depending on what you use you will get a different number and for different reasons they can all be considered a fair measurement. The conclusion that one religion has more violent tendencies is not a fair conclusion that can be made from this data in any case. How do you measure how much a religion caused you to do something? There are a wide variety of emotions, desires, and motives that are all at play when these people decide to do what they do. Then you have to decide if the religion is really that religion. I mean, I'm sure lots of Christians would love to brush off anyone who commits crimes in the name of their religion as "a member of a dangerous cult and not really Christian." It's not black and white.

Finally, I didn't even make an argument. I presented a statement and didn't even try to make a point with it. You may have read something into it, but I sure didn't say anything. My first question would have been "and what's your point," not "where's the proof?" Another example of an equally meaningful statement I could have made is "Buddhists get more traffic tickets than Hindus." If I had gone on to say "Buddhists are bad drivers" then I would be wrong, see the second paragraph. It's a sweeping generalization from a metric that doesn't really measure what you think it does.

Fun fact: Christian terrorists have blown up more buildings in this nation than Muslim terrorists have.
My goal here is not to argue that Christians are a bigger terrorist threat than Muslims in America. My goal here is to demonstrate that sort of an argument is ridiculous. The threat is not Christianity or Islam. The threat is terrorism.

i was raised christian and i was taught that gays are a blight on humanity, but as i got older and smarter i desired to answer questions about the universe and found that the bible is a hypocritical mess and it shouldn't be followed.


My religion teacher today said, "the Church is totally cool with science.  Really, they're good with [science]."

>mfw

Just let you all know, this was just more geared at how batstuff insane Rick Perry is, not religion

I love how he just casually drags Don't Ask, Don't Tell into this. It's over and done with, Rick. DADT is not coming back. The Republican Party will not hold its majority in the House nor will it gain one in the Senate. There is too much infighting and too many cracks in the collective armor, as seen by the presidential campaigns. And with DADT, does it really matter if you're straight in the military? You just have to shoot straight.

Also, Rick, please see this.

Quote from: The First Amendment to the US Constitution
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This means while the government cannot officially endorse a religion or promote one over any others, it also cannot break apart a religion. So Rick, your 'war on religion' argument is a house of cards.

Sweet jesus it's like a 30 ton orgy of people with no idea what in the hell they're talking about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PAJNntoRgA&feature=youtu.be

"I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm a Christian, but you don't need to be in the pew every Sunday to know there's something wrong in this country when gays can serve openly in the military but our kids can't openly celebrate Christmas or pray in school.
As President, I'll end Obama's war on religion. And I'll fight against liberal attacks on our religious heritage.
Faith made America strong. It can make her strong again.

I'm Rick Perry and I approve this message."

Bold is the problem here. The entire Republican candidate line-up is a loving joke, lol.




didnt bother reading the thread but LOL

there went the last bit of any chance he ever had of a nomination

i was raised christian and i was taught that gays are a blight on humanity, but as i got older and smarter i desired to answer questions about the universe and found that the bible is a hypocritical mess and it shouldn't be followed.

Pretty much the same with me, although my parents still believe in gay rights. Even so, I've still found ALL sects of Christianity to be a bit flawed, the best I've found so far is Lutheran. Still, I am athiest.

And I absolutely hate how handicapped conservatives always associate religon with their politics. Like seriously wtf, America is a country where no one is supposed to be more "important" than anyone else naturally, so why make Christians feel so special? Really, just go create a theocracy if you feel this way idiotic conservatives.

NOTE: The only conservatives I really have a burning hate for are the ones mentioned above. If you're republican, I respect your opinion, so long as you aren't the kind to use God as a tool to get votes.

Oh my, a serious republican.

This "war on religion" won't end. He can't stop it, really. What is he going to do, kick every other religion out of the country?

I would profess to be a believer in Christianity. According to my beliefs, many people do things that are morally wrong but legal every day, but I don't hate gays or people who practice other religions. I don't force my beliefs upon others either. And nowhere in the Bible are Christians commanded by God to forcibly convert people, contrary to what Bisjac earlier stated in this thread. We are only commanded to share the truth with others; it is up to them to choose whether or not to believe what they hear. Unfortunately, not all Christians share my views, or have even read the whole Bible, and therefore it is out of the naivety of many "believers" that many stereotypes placed upon Christians spawn.

And nowhere in the Bible are Christians commanded by God to forcibly convert people
It does say to kill non-believers, which sounds pretty much like forced conversion to me - "Either convert or I'll kill you"
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It does say to kill non-believers, which sounds pretty much like forced conversion to me - "Either convert or I'll kill you"
most christians don't do that, tho. the ones who do are extreme dunkasses, just like the christians who hate gays or support slavery or don't let women into holy places are extreme dunkasses