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Yes. 
Don't forget my coming back.  I was inactive a while. 
And the impending war due to the increasing tension between USSR and Avalonia. 

Agh, it all confuses me. I'm just not good with overly government stuff.

As I recall, the divisions drafted during those times never passed because everyone came back saying " Hey, what's with this?" Also, you said something to the effect of respecting Caprican Sovereignty.

Well, apparently anything associated with the Soviet Union is bad bad no no so the Capitalist countries threatened SWAT and I for being Socialist.

Communist, and you, Mik, started it all with your revolution and propaganda.

You have a mistaken understanding of the Avalonian Union. It's just the land Avalonia controls, not some Capitalist League. I'm not egotistical enough to name such an important alliance after myself (anymore).

Communist, and you, Mik, started it all with your revolution and propaganda.
Why would my people breaking away from tyranny frighten you so much?



Avalonian citizens are extremely worried about the rise of a new powerful Communistic nation. Due to the unrest, Avalonia takes measures to protect itself, namely the banning of the exportation of maps of Avalonia, the mass production of the most modern military gear, and the training of each and every citizen to defend the Avalonian Union.

Avalonia does not plan to march to war, but it does worry for its own safety, and will defend its territories if the need arises.

Avalonia frantically works its industrial areas to bring it above and beyond modern standards. Electric lines are set up, telegraphs and telephones installed, airfields constructed, and factories expanded and pushed to the limit.

Avalonia also puts an embargo on Soviet goods.

Tom, care to be allies? I'd think capitalists have to stick together as the world deteriorates into communism around us to prevent destruction.
commies and capitalists, back of my mind I was always thinking of how to sabotage socialism, you probably were too.
After my revolution and before I started any propaganda in any foreign country

Due to the increasingly hostile actions of Erinaum and the USSR, and Erinaum's failure to comply in an attempt to create a peaceful relationship between Capitalist and Communist nations, Avalonia's borders are now closed to all Red Sphere Nations.
SHORTLY after I started playing propaganda in Caprica. Also, What hostile actions?

As I recall, the divisions drafted during those times never passed because everyone came back saying " Hey, what's with this?" Also, you said something to the effect of respecting Caprican Sovereignty.
Do you mean Masona?  He was asking for a basic rundown on what happened recently.  Masona was irrelevant.

Communist, and you, Mik, started it all with your revolution and propaganda.  Well, and the fact that Caprica had Socialist influence for nearly a hundred years before the contract.

You have a mistaken understanding of the Avalonian Union. It's just the land Avalonia controls, not some Capitalist League. I'm not egotistical enough to name such an important alliance after myself (anymore).  Could we have an official name please?  Don't say Blue Sphere; that's just dumb.
Communist,
Um excuse me?  Erinaum is not Communist; we're a representative socialist government, essentially a Republic-Communistic hybrid.  If you're going to say a group, you could at least be politically correct to each of its parties.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2012, 10:48:12 PM by SWAT One »

Why would my people breaking away from tyranny frighten you so much?
After my revolution and before I started any propaganda in any foreign country
SHORTLY after I started playing propaganda in Caprica. Also, What hostile actions?
Communism = trouble. You're not the most peaceful player here either.
Propaganda. Erinaum's anti-Avalonian attitude after the boycott.

Um excuse me?  Erinaum is not Communist; we're a representative socialist government, essentially a Republic-Communistic hybrid.  If you're going to say a group, you could at least be politically correct to each of its parties.
As far as I can see, Socialism is just a slow and sinister form of communism, only main difference is that Communist countries tend to get more involved in world affairs, like you do Swat, with your ever growing ever upgrading horde of soldiers.

You said something to the effect of respecting CAPRICAN and Masonan sovereignty as I recall, seems odd to go back on that right when Frontrox came back. There is no Capitalist Super-alliance at the moment, so, you'll just have to refer to us individually for the time being.

Side Note: I looked at a translation of the French national anthem and you would probably like a Russian translation Mik.

Really? I don't ever remember going to war with anyone but you for randomly killing my leader and blowing up my capitol. And this whole, 'Confederation' thing is just me aiming right the forget back at him. And who are you to talk? You're playing propaganda too. I WAS only playing it in Caprica  until you called us hostile (I had only had a revolution at that point). I increased it because of your little ordeal of sending 1,000 people to an island and thinking they could establish a proper government.

lol, you two are acting like children. 
Arguing is weak.  Solve the problem. 

-snip-
You sir, are horribly misinformed.

You may read it if you wish, but if you want to know what Communism/Socialism are, read this.  You said you were curious earlier, so I hope you have the curiosity to still read.  In any case, knowledge is power.

There are 2 kinds of economies on a spectrum:  Socialism and Capitalism
There are 2 main kinds of governments on the spectrum we are talking about here.  We are leaving out Totalitarianism for the sake of time.  These include Dictatorships, Monarchies and Feudalisms, where there is 1 leader, and the leader's word is law.  There are hybrids of this, such as constitutional monarchies.

Here is the basic spectrum:

Socialism                                                                   Capitalism
Communism                               Socialism                 Representative Socialism                                Democracy          Republic                     Oligarchy
<--|---------------------|------------------|-------------------------|---------|--------------|-->

(At either end of the spectrum, governments tend to end up in a Totalitarian government.)

The difference between each of these governments listed above (Some are left out because they are not important here) are the power structures within each group.  There are sometimes subtle differences between each government.  Since I need to explain quite a few governments here, I will quote Wikipedia on these governments for the sake of time.  However, Representative Socialism is something I structured myself, and therefore need to explain in my own words.

  • Oligarchy -
    Oligarchy (from Greek ὀλιγαρχία (oligarkhía); from ὀλίγος (olígos), meaning "a few", and ἄρχω (archo), meaning "to rule or to command") is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. These people could be distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, education, corporate, or military control. Such states are often controlled by a few prominent families who pass their influence from one generation to the next.
  • Republic -
    A republic is a form of government in which state affairs are considered a "public matter" (Latin: res publica), rather than the private concern of a monarch. Offices of state are subsequently directly or indirectly elected or appointed. In modern times, a common simplified definition of a republic is a government where the head of state is not a monarch. The word republic is derived from the Latin phrase res publica, which can be translated as "the public affair", and often used to describe a state using this form of government.
  • Democracy -
    Democracy is an egalitarian form of government in which all the citizens of a nation together determine public policy, the laws and the actions of their state, requiring that all citizens (meeting certain qualifications) have an equal opportunity to express their opinion. In practice, "democracy" is the extent to which a given system approximates this ideal, and a given political system is referred to as "a democracy" if it allows a certain approximation to ideal democracy. Although no country has ever granted all its citizens (i.e. including minors) the vote, most countries today hold regular elections based on egalitarian principles, at least in theory.
  • Representative Socialism -
    Representative Socialism is a system of government in which the citizens determine most of the actions of government by speaking through a network of officials that represent the people in higher parts of government.  The governmental structure is closer to a republic in structure, except that it contains 4 branches of government that balance each other.  The Economy is partially regulated by government, and partially regulated by citizens.  The government sets an acceptable price range for all goods to be sold in markets and the citizens selling the goods set the price of the item within legal range.  The government commands the nation as a whole, but there is a strict veto and petition system that keeps these leaders in place.
  • Socialism -
    Socialism  /ˈsoʊʃəlɪzəm/ is an economic system characterised by social ownership and/or control of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy, and a political philosophy advocating such a system. "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, direct public ownership or autonomous state enterprises. There are many variations of socialism and as such there is no single definition encapsulating all of socialism. They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets versus planning, how management is to be organised within economic enterprises, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.
  • Communism -
    Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order. This movement, in its Marxist-Leninist interpretations, significantly influenced the history of the 20th century, which saw intense rivalry between the "socialist world" (socialist states ruled by communist parties) and the "western world" (countries with market economies).
    Marxist theory holds that pure communism is a specific stage of historical development that inevitably emerges from the development of the productive forces that leads to a superabundance of material wealth, allowing for distribution based on need and social relations based on freely associated individuals. The exact definition of communism varies, and it is often mistakenly, in general political discourse, used interchangeably with socialism; however, Marxist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the road to communism. Leninism adds to Marxism the notion of a vanguard party to lead the proletarian revolution and to secure all political power after the revolution for the working class, for the development of universal class consciousness and worker participation, in a transitional stage between capitalism and socialism.

Essentially, what you are saying,
Communism = trouble. You're not the most peaceful player here either.
Socialism is just a slow and sinister form of communism, only main difference is that Communist countries tend to get more involved in world affairs, like you do Swat, with your ever growing ever upgrading horde of soldiers.
Is backwards.  Communism is a form of Socialism.  Socialism is a type of economy and government type.  Representative Socialism is a form of Socialism, but is closest to the middle as one can get, since people have freedom to exercise their voice in government, at least loosely.  It is true that Representative and non-Rep. Socialism are slower than Communism, but that's only due to the fact that the central government has to answer to more parties and more people in the process.

The worst mistake to misunderstanding Socialist governments as a whole is this:
Expecting they are all bad for what they are.

So far, all Socialist governments have been against US policy and therefore are all suddenly "hostile."
The other side to it is that not all leaders of Communism were good representations of a good government.  Stalin killed ~35 million people due to his paranoid nature.  He, however, made the Soviet Union grow technologically very fast to meet modern standards.  As a leader.  Good.  As a person.  Bad.

And back to that little comment about my "Ever-Growing army of soldiers," I recall correctly that your ally, Aemilius uses its entire male populous in its army.  I don't
« Last Edit: July 10, 2012, 10:22:14 AM by SWAT One »

I'd think that either way, Greese and Spain would put out a big red flag warning against socialism. And what would you do if I were socialist, and your ally, and suddenly there's a capitalist coup de ta? Likely exactly what I've done, lock down.

Either way, I'd rather have nothing to do with your backwards systems. As soon as technology allows, I'm picking up Avalonia 9physically removing it from the planet), taking the lava moon, and heading off to the nearest star system, then you can have your red empire span across Anagea, and I can have a functional government and economy where your double talk and propaganda won't cause any trouble.

I'm in the process of reading the wealth of nations, I've read some Orwell, and just based on my own experience (looking at present and past world conditions), I have asserted that socialism, communism, &c. are detrimental to peace, order, and prosperity. If you want to hash it out in a war, do so, but don't tell me I'm a moron because I believe that if both our nations were smacked down in the real world, mine would fare better, and because things have deteriorated to the point where I feel I need to defend myself with hydrogen bomb miniguns if capitalism is to resist the red tide of evil.

The bandwagon is rolling.  Over 600,000,000 have chosen to ride.

Wouldn't be 1/4 that if we hadn't all jacked up the populations. Bogus numbers with last 2 nations, and rest of us have gone right along with it.

Wouldn't be 1/4 that if we hadn't all jacked up the populations. Bogus numbers with last 2 nations, and rest of us have gone right along with it.
Most of our populations stayed at around 5 mil for months in Anagaea.  We didn't accurately portray growth.  With the amount of land Erinaum has, I could probably fit 2 bil comfortably.

Most of our populations stayed at around 5 mil for months in Anagaea.  We didn't accurately portray growth.  With the amount of land Erinaum has, I could probably fit 2 bil comfortably.
Whatever, as long as you realize that if that's the case, Avalonia could comfortably hold about 2 or 3 times that.

It's not worth my time anymore to get involved in your whole Red Sphere Disaster. Avalonia will henceforth have no dealings with any Red Sphere nation. Avalonia will not buy or sell any goods to the Red Sphere. Avalonia will trade with any nation it chooses outside of the Red Sphere, including the sale of arms to the Red Sphere's enemies should it be profitable, or to any of its allies not at war with a nation allied to Avalonia or its allies that is not part of the Red Sphere. I do not plan to start a war with the Red Sphere, and any war with the Red Sphere on Avalonia's part will be caused by a Red Sphere attack, excessive Red Sphere troops along the Avalonian border, or involvement of one of Avalonia's allies in a war against the Red Sphere.

I don't plan to go by your estimation of the world's technological progress. Who are you to tell me what can and cannot exist in my nation? V3 rockets exist in Avalonia. If you attempt to interfere, it is an act of war, and then you ignore me because I use technology you think I shouldn't have and accuse me of god modding. Compliance with this policy will lead to a neutral relationship with Avalonia; breaking these terms or attempting to affect Avalonia whatsoever will lead to war.

There is no happy time hold hands ending I'm afraid.

The 2nd army is sent to Caprica to aid in securing and re-building.

The number of Po-2 flights along the Confederation border are being decreased ad they are showing no signs of aggression.