Author Topic: Children are the only things you can beat, and not get in trouble for.  (Read 2563 times)

Spanking is illegal here. And so is beating, because, well, it's worse.
People here have gotten many years for spanking children (spanking = a hit that causes ANY form of redness in the contact zone, even a tiny red patch). Whereas people who torture and kill animals only get a couple of years.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2012, 11:03:40 PM by Ethan »

Spanking is illegal here. And so is beating, because, well, it's worse.
People here have gotten many years for spanking children (spanking = a hit that causes ANY form of redness in the contact zone, even a tiny red patch). Whereas people who torture and kill animals only get a couple of years.
Where are you from?

There is that meat in the basement thats ok to beat.

Where are you from?
Click on my name. Look at location.

i can think of another thing you can beat

i can think of another thing you can beat

o I kno wat u mene bb <3

@OP: What do you suggest that the parent do instead?

When a kid is not acting appropriately in accordance to society's norms (ie Biting, hitting, screaming, etc.), parents are supposed to discipline their child so that they will function positively in society. At that age, kids don't really have a filter to control their words and actions with, so parents need to help them form that. Kids hardly listen to reason as most have a difficult time grasping the "big picture" of what their actions are doing to themselves and others around them. So while embarrassment isn't a big enough fear at this point to help form this social filter, pain is. There is a huge grey area as to what is acceptable with this and there is a large portion that is unacceptable. However, the line varies of acceptance from kid to kid and is very hard to gauge or monitor.

@OP: What do you suggest that the parent do instead?

When a kid is not acting appropriately in accordance to society's norms (ie Biting, hitting, screaming, etc.), the kid wasn't doing this parents are supposed to discipline their child so that they will function positively in society. teaching them that beating things that are acting inappropriately instead of intelligently telling them it's wrong is a great idea!  At that age, kids don't really have a filter to control their words and actions with, so parents need to help them form that. BEAT THEM GOD DAMN IT, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA Kids hardly listen to reason as most have a difficult time grasping the "big picture" of what their actions are doing to themselves and others around them. Odd, I never had this problem. Did you? Since most opinions (i believe) are formed from first hand experience, are you calling yourself stupid and unable to grasp the big picture? So while embarrassment isn't a big enough fear at this point to help form this social filter, pain is. were you stupid as a child? I was quite worried about my external appearance. I would assume others are this way also.There is a huge grey area as to what is acceptable with this and there is a large portion that is unacceptable. wow, something i agree with However, the line varies of acceptance from kid to kid and is very hard to gauge or monitor.  perhaps a small bit, but definitely not enough to allow dicipline by beating
aaaaaa this post is making me feel
stupider

It's called parenting.

A bad parent would had given the child anything he wanted if he stopped crying.

It's called parenting.

A bad parent would had given the child anything he wanted if he stopped crying.
I didn't say (assuming you're replying to me) that you should give the child whatever they want.

You ought to talk to them and try to figure out what they want, and if what they want is a need, fulfill the need. If it's a want, talk to them.
Bottom line, in case you didn't get it: Talk to your loving child before beating them

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the kid wasn't doing this

teaching them that beating things that are acting inappropriately instead of intelligently telling them it's wrong is a great idea! 

BEAT THEM GOD DAMN IT, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA

Odd, I never had this problem. Did you? Since most opinions (i believe) are formed from first hand experience, are you calling yourself stupid and unable to grasp the big picture?

were you stupid as a child? I was quite worried about my external appearance. I would assume others are this way also.

wow, something i agree with

perhaps a small bit, but definitely not enough to allow dicipline by beating

 aaaaaa this post is making me feel
stupider

Lol great post 10/10 would read again. The amount of actual rebuttals was astounding. Honestly, why is it so hard for people to have intelligent conversations on the internet? Maybe a lack of proper parenting and discipline?

To address your points (if I can call them that):
Did you see the kid? I don't remember you being with the OP during this trip. Regardless of that, I wasn't mentioning specifics, so bringing up the kid from the OP's post is irrelevant.

Kids aren't intelligent, hence school. Why is it that kids do "wrong" things after their parents tell them to stop? Frankly, kids are stupid and don't understand the reasons behind why parents say no or stop. Despite his mother's warnings, he still touches the thing. (I understand that video sucks, but it's the only one I could find that illustrated my point). This is the crap kids do every day because they don't really see beyond their want.

See above.

Like I mentioned, kids (like teenagers) generally do not comprehend the consequences of their actions, aka "the big picture". Maturity is the gaining of that awareness. By saying "grasping the big picture", I mean to say that when a kid has an idea in their head, that is the priority and they have a hard time seeing beyond it, like I mentioned above. If the kid wants a toy or something and are told no, they're going to be upset and possibly throw a fit because, at that moment in time, that toy is the center of their universe.

Though I see kids regularly do things that the average person wouldn't (ie crying in public, screaming, etc.), maybe embarrassment and fear isn't the point I should be making. Kids are stubborn and only yield to certain things depending on their mood. However, pain is something a kid will always yield to.

That's good.

While I classify beating as any sort of physical abuse done out of anger, a few spankings out of love for the child does not classify as beating. On one hand, you have parents that use physical discipline for their own gain (shutting the kid up, stopping embarrassment to the parent, etc.), there are many parents that love their kid enough to punish them for the moment with a bit of pain (so the lesson sticks with them) so that they might have a better future having learned the lesson.

Finally, why attack me? I mean, the names don't bother me, but calling me them doesn't somehow further your points.


It's called parenting.

A bad parent would had given the child anything he wanted if he stopped crying.

Thank you.


You ought to talk to them and try to figure out what they want, and if what they want is a need, fulfill the need. If it's a want, talk to them.
Bottom line, in case you didn't get it: Talk to your loving child before beating them

It's assumed that you've attempted this before physical discipline is given.

aaaaaa this post is making me feel
stupider


Lol great post 10/10 would read again. The amount of actual rebuttals was astounding. Honestly, why is it so hard for people to have intelligent conversations on the internet? Maybe a lack of proper parenting and discipline? Generic insult, not actually pertaining to the "intelligent conversation"

To address your points (if I can call them that):Another random insult
Did you see the kid? I don't remember you being with the OP during this trip. Regardless of that, I wasn't mentioning specifics, so bringing up the kid from the OP's post is irrelevant.I seem to have misunderstood

Kids aren't intelligent, hence school. Why is it that kids do "wrong" things after their parents tell them to stop? Frankly, kids are stupid and don't understand the reasons behind why parents say no or stop. you explain it to them, that's the point Despite his mother's warnings, he still touches the thing. (I understand that video sucks, but it's the only one I could find that illustrated my point). This is the crap kids do every day because they don't really see beyond their want. didn't watch the video as it is late, cannot counter this yet

See above.

Like I mentioned, kids (like teenagers) generally do not comprehend the consequences of their actions, aka "the big picture". Maturity is the gaining of that awareness. By saying "grasping the big picture", I mean to say that when a kid has an idea in their head, that is the priority and they have a hard time seeing beyond it, like I mentioned above. If the kid wants a toy or something and are told no, they're going to be upset and possibly throw a fit because, at that moment in time, that toy is the center of their universe. yes, and this doesn't mean you beat them because of it. I'm a little surprised you seem to be supporting physical dicipline when you have such a good grasp of what causes the thing that you dicipline for

Though I see kids regularly do things that the average person wouldn't (ie crying in public, screaming, etc.), maybe embarrassment and fear isn't the point I should be making. Kids are stubborn and only yield to certain things depending on their mood. However, pain is something a kid will always yield to. not always in a positive way, dependent on the amount of pain, duration, and frequency, the kid may be permanently scarred.

That's good.

While I classify beating as any sort of physical abuse done out of anger, a few spankings out of love for the child does not classify as beating. On one hand, you have parents that use physical discipline for their own gain (shutting the kid up, stopping embarrassment to the parent, etc.), there are many parents that love their kid enough to punish them for the moment with a bit of pain (so the lesson sticks with them) so that they might have a better future having learned the lesson. i disagree with 'beating them for love', but i think this is a matter of opinion

Finally, why attack me? I mean, the names don't bother me, but calling me them doesn't somehow further your points. are you referring to my rather immature calling you stupid, cause if you are i apologize, im tired and sort of pulled those parts out of my ass


Thank you.


It's assumed that you've attempted this before physical discipline is given. but was it a success? have you tried it well enough? or was it a simple "no don't do that", because that simply isn't enough
bottom line is we have two different parenting styles
i also don't think either of us have raised a child yet
i mean, i think i haven't, i could be wrong
« Last Edit: March 14, 2012, 05:32:39 AM by Lugnut1206 »

I've beaten a lot of things and not gotten in any trouble for it, thread title is misleading I'm going to sue

I'm going to beat you and not get in trouble for it

now, cmere so I can spank ya

bottom line is we have two different parenting styles
i also don't think either of us have raised a child yet
i mean, i think i haven't, i could be wrong
bottom line is your going to raise a stuffty son or daughter, whilst someone using the parenting style that Thorax suggested will raise a good one